Episode Transcript
[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome back to Two Witnesses Live. I am watchful. It's been a while since you've seen us. We, we weren't not doing anything last week. There were a couple people that were out with a little bit of illnesses, but by and large we took the week off in order to get stuff done. I know I've been personally really busy, man. I don't know if you've ever worked with making music from beginning to end in order to produce it, but it's a process.
I thought it was super simple. I thought I could be able to crank these things out once a week. But it turns out I wasn't doing it right. So I learned a lot about the music industry and releasing music and also been working on some scripts for some high quality content to encapsulate the data that we've collected over the last seven years. Really excited about that stuff. Think like Messiah 20:30 if you haven't seen that. Or maybe like the WI files. If you watch the WI files or what are some other ones, Mark Rober type content to where it's just like they're short. It'll be short segments that are really refined and to the point and do a really good job communicating things. So we got six scripts prepped last week, so been busy. How you doing, man?
[00:01:23] Speaker B: I'm doing good.
You all, you know, last week we took down some trees on our property.
Had a bid to take down two large oak trees and you got to do them after the cold comes in after October. Yeah, they bidded us quite a penny, about four grand and we ended up renting a boom lift and a couple of friends and my kids and their kids and we got it all done.
It's. We got quite a bit of wood, got it cut up into 18 inch lengths and all the branches we got cut up so that we can use that for kindling and got it set to dry out. And now through the winter my boys and I will try our hand at splitting wood with them all.
[00:02:19] Speaker A: Oh, memories.
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
[00:02:27] Speaker B: So we're gonna try splitting it. You know, if it gets too much then we'll rent the splitter or borrow one from my brother in law. But for now we're going to try them all. See if we can take wax at them.
[00:02:41] Speaker A: Yeah, when, when we were in college, that was part of the training. They would actually have a split wood.
Do you remember when we were. Do you remember when we were eating grubs to gross out the girls?
[00:02:53] Speaker B: Yes.
I'm pretty sure it grossed us out too. But yeah.
[00:03:00] Speaker A: Yeah, when you're, when you're splitting wood, there's these like big, like. They're like cream colored worms. I don't know what they really were. We called them grubs. But when we were out there splitting wood, I think. I don't know who dared who, but somebody dared somebody to eat one. I know I ate one. I'm pretty sure you ate one.
[00:03:18] Speaker B: Yep, I ate one.
[00:03:21] Speaker A: I think Frank may have eaten one too, because I remember him complaining about it wiggling in his stomach.
[00:03:28] Speaker B: I think Ryan was the one who didn't eat one.
[00:03:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it was Ryan, man. After I, we lucked out. Not like getting anything from doing that. I don't recommend anybody do that. I've seen some really bad horror stories of people eating things they found in the woods that did not end well, like getting parasites that they've dealt with for years. I don't recommend doing that, but boy, were those the days. Talk about God's hand of protection on us.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: Oh yeah, that was crazy.
[00:03:58] Speaker A: Doing stupid things.
Yeah. So the, the trees were these trees that were like threatening to your property or you just needed some wood, so.
[00:04:08] Speaker B: No, in on my property, the trees had some oak wilt.
[00:04:15] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:04:16] Speaker B: We got them treated. We have about 50 oak trees on the property in total.
And it's not that, not, not. It's about an acre and a half. So it's pretty dense. It's a lot of woods for 50 oak trees. But we got them treated and these two didn't take. So all the other ones turned around and were fine. And apparently if you leave them, it's a good chance that there's a bug that'll go around and go into the oak and then go to another oak and then it spreads.
If you cut the oak before October, it lets off a pheromone, tracks these bugs.
So we cut it down and just this last, not this week, last weekend, weekend before last. And then all week have been processing wood.
Now I got it, finally got it all cut and now it's drying and splitting time.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: I need to do some of that. I told you a little bit about. I can't remember the exact day, but it was a couple weeks ago, probably three weeks ago. We had a apple tree fall in our front yard. It's still halfway over. We only. Yeah, we only cut it up enough so that we could actually drive out of the driveway. But that was the weirdest thing. I was just telling Lonnie while you were getting some food. I mentioned this a little bit about to you, but it was. I was on the phone with somebody, and it was as peaceful as could possibly be. Like, there wasn't any wind anywhere. And literally there was like a tornado that came down and ripped that tree up out of the ground and threw it over on. On our fence. It didn't do any damage. That's the weirdest thing, is it didn't damage anything. It just ripped it up out of the ground and put in front of my driveway so that I couldn't drive out of my driveway. I'll have to send you a picture of it, but it's. Yeah, it's the trippiest thing, so. But there was no wind anywhere else. The wind only tore that thing down. And it was. I. I just thought like a branch had fallen off or something like that. Because as I was sitting here talking with somebody, I'm like, I just heard a tree fall and I went. And I thought it was in the backyard. I went and go check it out. Didn't see any of the big trees that I would expect to fall over. Like, you know, we've got some massive trees on this property. No, just went to the front yard, that little apple tree. And then when we went back and reviewed the. The footage later, the thing just got ripped up. Some freak wind just came and ripped that tree up out of the ground by its roots, put it in my way so that I had to like, chop it up in order to get off the property. But weirdest thing. So I still have to deal with the rest of that.
[00:06:59] Speaker B: Applewood is good for smoking.
[00:07:02] Speaker A: Yeah, it is.
[00:07:04] Speaker B: Apple wood. That's good. That's good one.
[00:07:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Well. And that's exactly what we'll use it for. We'll. We'll cut that. I got a chainsaw. I just had time to go deal with it now because we. Since I cut the branches off so that I could get out of the. Out of the property, I haven't had a chance to deal with the rest of it. It's just sitting out there. But. Tis the season to be cutting wood.
[00:07:24] Speaker B: Yeah, it's nice. I, you know, my boys, they come out and help me. It's. It's just nice to have the family help to do something. I mean, this tree. I should probably send you some pictures, but this tree was humongous.
And there was. There was a smaller one too, but the. The trunk at the very bottom.
We. The. The friend of mine that helped me drop it, we dropped it in the perfect spot where it's laying flat. And I. I got this planer. That you can connect a chainsaw to it underneath and it cuts it straight. And I'm going to try and cut a couple slabs of it straight to see, you know. See what out of it. Be nice to see if you can make a bench.
[00:08:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Make some lumber.
[00:08:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Something. I don't know.
[00:08:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I've seen people do that. I've seen people like build entire houses doing that. They just get really simple, like planers. They go out and they fall a bunch of trees and then turn them into lumber.
[00:08:29] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's a great tree. It's huge. So I'm pretty excited about trying this out.
[00:08:37] Speaker A: Cool.
[00:08:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Have you. So have you been paying attention to the news at all?
[00:08:44] Speaker B: I have, I have, yeah. You thinking about the health care thing?
[00:08:49] Speaker A: No.
Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, that was a thing too. I was thinking more so in regards to like end time stuff, because that's kind of the whole point of this. The. This channel is watching prophecy.
Damascus fell. Oh, did you hear about that? Syria. So Assad fled Assyria, Israel.
Yep, yep. And then Israel took Mount Hermon. So this, it's interesting because Damascus has never been taken like, in all of history as far as we know. So the fact that it's fallen, we're like one step away from Damascus being destroyed, which is prophetic. It's written about in the, in, in. In regards to the end times. So it's just like we keep seeing these things, like, get fulfilled and like, it's just another one of those things. It's just like.
[00:09:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
Did you hear about. And I don't really understand this too much. Maybe you've got more knowledge on this than I. I will. It wouldn't be hard to have more knowledge than me on this, but the video camera in the. At the Vatican, supposedly there's some type of video that's going to be showing Peter's tomb or Paul's tomb and the two. Lucifer's tomb. What, what that stuff? I have no idea. I'll have to take a look at it. Send you something.
[00:10:14] Speaker A: But yeah, send me something.
[00:10:16] Speaker B: What the heck?
That's some crazy stuff.
[00:10:21] Speaker A: Yeah, you know, that's. That's one of the big things that I deal with. There's. There's so many crazy people right now, religious crazy people, and they're getting worse. I mean, like they're popping up left and right, which. It's something that Jesus actually warned us about when his disciples asked, what are we going to know? How are we going to know when the end time is which it's it's interesting. So that's in Matthew 24. It's really interesting that they would ask that 2,000 years ago. And his response to watch for things applies to us in this day and time because they've long been dead. So it's literally like he gave them the information for us to pay attention to in our day and age. And the first thing that he said is, beware of people claiming to be anointed. And that's exactly what we're seeing, is we're seeing people that are claiming to be anointed, that are just spilling religious nonsense. Like, you know, this stuff from the Vatican. Like, this stuff is coming out of the woodwork now. And it's hard to separate the fantasy from reality. And I think that's one of the big things that we're meant to pay attention to, because as people start to feel like they're hearing from spirits and angels and getting dreams and visions and all of that stuff, it's like, how do you know what's real? How do you know what's, you know, legitimate? Or how do you know what's. Just people freaking out.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: You know, I often. Not only is it knowing what's real and what's people freaking out, but then how does that apply to me today? Because I still got to pay my mortgage. I still have to raise my kids, right? There's still.
Okay, all of that's going on. End times are coming. But if that doesn't end tomorrow, I still have to pay my mortgage.
[00:12:15] Speaker A: Still got to pay mortgage. Yeah, yeah.
[00:12:17] Speaker B: And it's like, okay, well, how do I manage those thoughts of what's coming and what I can see from a distance and then at the same time look down at my feet. Right. I tend to be one of those people that I get a little lost in, staring at the horizon of life way off in the future, that's where I want to be. Way over there, that's where I'm heading. Right. I get kind of lost in that. But then when it comes down to, okay, well, how is that applying to me today?
How is that going to change what I eat for lunch?
[00:12:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:57] Speaker B: How's it going to change how I dress to go to work, whether I show up at work on time? Right. It's like all of those. You have to look down at your feet, your feet. Feats. Not feet, just feet. One feet.
You gotta look down at your feet and make sure that they're steadfast and that you are protecting yourself.
[00:13:22] Speaker A: Yeah, right.
[00:13:23] Speaker B: That's where it comes down. Those who are faithful in the least are faithful in the much. So knowing all that stuff helps you to realize that, okay, God, he didn't lie to me. This stuff is really happening. And at the same time, he's still helping me as long as I'm making right decisions.
[00:13:40] Speaker A: Yeah, well, and that's the thing is, like, I went when. When I realized we were in the end times. So it took me three years to really realize it. Because the way that it went down is the Revelation 12 sign happened and everybody was expecting the Rapture to happen around then. That was in 2017. Nothing happened. It wasn't until 2019 that, like, real hardcore prophecy started being fulfilled. Like, stuff that nothing else could explain. There was like, there's massive amounts of evidence indicating that it's prophecy being fulfilled. And then that's kind of when I started going, like, what do I do? What do we do?
So a lot of us went prepper. Like, hardcore prepper. Like, you know, we've got to prepare for the end of the world. Inflation's going to be crazy.
And what we ended up finding is that was good to an extent, but it was unnecessary in excess. So, like, I was planning for three and four years, up to seven years to be able to feed my family and feed others.
That was excessive.
What we ended up realizing is you really only need to plan and prepare. And this is just a general rule in life. You really only need to prepare for three months, three to four months, because that will actually get you through a growing season. So that'll get you through a winter, winter and into a growing season. And then if you have seeds and you've learned like, garden, just basic gardening skills, you have everything you need that you can grow your own food, feed your family, and grow in abundance in order to take care of others. So there was a lot of learning a lot of stuff like that. But it's. It's really interesting because what I've learned is I'm pretty sure we've already gone through the hard times of the tribulation that so many people were afraid of. That, like the famine, the inflation. I mean, like, most people got so used to it that it just became regular daily life. You know, men in women's bathrooms, you know, that's days of Noah stuff. Boys wanting to become girls, girls wanted to become boys. Global pandemic. I mean, like, so much has changed in like the last four years that most people don't even realize how. What it used to be. Like, uh, but to your point of, like, so what do you Do. And this is why I've changed from I'm. We used to. On this channel, we used to do like, brought like broadcasts multiple times a day, like covering the news. And it was getting so like doom and gloom, like fear porn. That's just like, I just don't want to do that anymore.
[00:16:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:09] Speaker A: I barely want to even focus. Pay attention to the news unless it's something that's like, directly related to prophecy instead. Go ahead.
[00:16:19] Speaker B: I. I agree. 100. If. If I'm gonna. If I'm gonna read the Bible, if I'm gonna start reading the Bible and it's going to bring fear, I mean, there's something wrong.
[00:16:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:34] Speaker B: Something that's not what it's there for.
[00:16:37] Speaker A: And that's exactly the point. It's just like this, this should be the most exciting time ever.
And it's like, that's the challenge is how do we get to that excitement? Like, what is the exciting part about the end times? And it's completely changed my opinion on end times because it's just like, we've already gone through the doom and gloom. Yeah. There's probably still going to be more tribulation and doom and gloom. But God protected us through that. What's to say he's not going to protect us for whatever comes that's worse?
[00:17:07] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. I think it's looking back on those times when my wife and I made good decisions and when we made bad decisions. Right. When we made in the middle of the road decisions.
It takes us looking back at those decisions and seeing, okay, where did God talk to us? Where did we know better? How do we make better decisions? I mean, those, even the realizing that how emotions affect us. Right. You got your five senses, but then you have these emotions that tell you, hey, watch out to the left. And all of a sudden you're slamming on the brakes or you're slamming on the gas or you're reacting too fast because of this emotion. Right. I had, we, my wife and I, we had to realize that emotions tell us the right way to go. But yeah, tell us how fast or how slow.
Right. And when we got that emotion of, oh, this is what we should do, then it was, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. Here's what I feel.
And let's start asking some questions. So now, after we got the initial jolt of emotion that tells us to go in a certain direction, then it was, all right, let's get some clarifying questions in here. What are our options? How do we move? Who does this affect? Who can we reach out to. And then when we got the questions asked, then it was clear as day, nope, this is the right way to go. But, yeah, it's in realizing that and. And going through all of that turmoil during.
Well, Covid right there. All of that stuff that's gone on, we had. I had a huge emotional charge and. But I couldn't react the way, you know, blindly just in the moment. Right. I had to hold my tongue. You're right. For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Right. Remember that?
[00:19:15] Speaker A: I wish I could say I did the same.
I couldn't hold my tongue. I ended up causing division between me and my wife. That was a whole thing.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: But you learn from it, right?
[00:19:29] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. And our relationship is so much better because of it, man. It's, like, amazing now because of it.
[00:19:35] Speaker B: And that's my point, is that we go through these times, and it's not until we look back at them that then we start piecing out, wait a minute. This was a good decision. This was a bad one. Why did I make this good decision? Here were the influences. Here's where I heard that still small voice. Here's where I heard the powerful. I felt the powerful emotion. Here's where. Right.
[00:20:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:02] Speaker B: And then when. When you inspect all that, then you start to realize, wait a minute. God is a personal God, and he works in me different than the way he works in my wife. He. I've never heard an audible voice. I've heard people say they've heard audible voices. It's never happened to me. However, when I have felt I've made a decision and I've looked back on it, I've looked back and thought, man, that was God. That was not. How the heck would I have made that decision? God really worked in me.
That's definitely not my intelligence.
[00:20:44] Speaker A: Yeah, well, and that's exactly my point about separating, like, religion from the fantasy. And I've heard. So in the last, like, seven years, I've heard so many in the thousands, maybe even into the tens of thousands of people who have dreams and visions and hear voices and talk to angels, and they've, you know, they've publicly given information that was bullshit that never came to pass. And it's just, like, I've gotten to the point to where I think all of that is just totally fake. Because my experience, like yours, is I rarely know that God has worked in the situation until it's in the high. Until it's in the rearview mirror, and I look back and go, wow, God saved our lives in that situation, or had we not done this or done this, things would have been dramatically different. Or, oh, that's what that feeling was. That was God working in me in order to, you know, divert my path because I would never have diverted my path of my own will. And it's funny, that's happened more and more in these later days, but that's, that's why I'm like, I've just been burned so many times by super religious people and people who claim to be anointed that it's just like I outright don't believe them anymore. It's like, you tell me you hear voices. I think you're schizophrenic now. Yeah. You know, you're hearing devil spirits. You know you've got a spirit that's talking to you because that's best I can understand. That's not how the Holy Spirit works for sure.
[00:22:14] Speaker B: And I think it's understanding that God is a personal God. Like he's not only is he going to work in you and he's going to work in me, but these individuals that are in our chat, individuals that are just watching this video, God's works in all of you.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:22:35] Speaker B: It's not a matter of having a rank. I mean, heck, if he can use Balaam's ass to talk to a king, then, right? Why can't he talk to every one of us? Right? It's just a matter of, okay, well, how do I get control, right? That putting off of the old man, right? That old man is the physical body parts that we have. The heart, right, it pumps blood. There's a job that it does. The stomach digests food. There's a job that it does. Our brain is made to keep us safe. It's not who we are. Our brain keeps us safe. It, it's what told us, oh, there's a saber tooth lion jumping out. Ah, let's run away because the bush is shaking. Right? If I didn't run away, well, now I'm lunch, right? There's, there's, it's an organ and it's designed to work on keeping us safe.
[00:23:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:38] Speaker B: Beyond that, I have to look at it and determine, okay, when is it working out of fear? When is it working out of love?
When do I get to tell my brain what to think?
Right. I heard someone say that everything you say is descriptive and prophetic.
And if you think of life like that, then when I'm talking with my wife and I'm saying, ah, I'm nervous about this or I'm scared about that. Or you always say this and you never let me do that. Right. Those are. That's prophetic. You're saying it just like God said, let there be light.
That there is power in what you say.
[00:24:27] Speaker A: 100.
[00:24:28] Speaker B: If you're gonna be prophetic in saying, I'm scared. I can't. I won't. This is never gonna happen. Right. Then I shouldn't wonder why it's never happened. I shouldn't wonder why I can't. I am being prophetic in my description, but rather, why don't I try and find ways of saying, honey, I really want to hear your opinion, rather than saying, you always clam up and you don't say anything.
It's both the same thing. But if I say it in the. I want to hear your opinion. I want to know what's on your mind. There's a prophetic, positive way to get where I'm going. Right. It's really in how do we list these words? How do we put these words together that gives us that safety that God wants for us as we're going through these times.
[00:25:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Well. And that's the thing is that's. That's the stuff that you can actually do and take action on to where. And I may have misspoke a little bit with, you know, saying that people who hear voices and visions and dreams and stuff like that.
It's just my experience that those people tend to be wrong. It seems like they're prophesying from their own heart. They're claiming that they're receiving information that I don't think they are. That doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who receive information and who speak prophetically. But by and large, the crazies are coming out of the woodwork right now. And it's so hard to differentiate those who are truly speaking on God's behalf or those who are speaking on what they want, what they think, you know, what they're. What they're brewing in their own brain. But when it comes down to separating religion from fantasy or the fantasy from reality is. It's exactly that. It's like you have to realize we deal with emotions. Not every emotion. Is God talking to you?
[00:26:28] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:26:29] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, certainly he can work in that. And that's the beauty of the world. And the reality that we live in is it's such a perfect system that you will sense fear. Whether it's him putting that on your heart or whether it's just a natural reaction. Who knows? Who cares? It's hindsight that you're going to know if it really was. Was God working in you or not? I'm of the opinion that God's just constantly, always working. It's and all, like you said, none of us are special. That's the thing about these people who are, like, getting on the stage showing that they're anointed. They want you to think they're special. The thing is, we're all special. Stop trying to elevate yourself above everybody else to get attention. It's like God's going to work and all of us equally will allow him. A lot of people are just really good at ignoring him.
[00:27:14] Speaker B: You know, I think that there is a bit of sacrifice that we have to make in order to edify the other person. For instance, when you say something that I know, ooh, watchful. That God inspired you to say that one. That was a good one. Right? Then I'm admitting that I didn't know that. I'm admitting that maybe I've heard it before, but I didn't remember it. I didn't piece it together with where I'm at in life, right? I'm sacrificing my good name and saying, hey, what you said really helped me. That's great.
That lifts you up, right? And then I know when I say things that I've had, people come back and tell me, oh, David, you said this. And this really helped me. And this blessed me. Right? I know that when I hear that, I think, whoa, did I. I didn't even know that this would do this for this person. Right? And it helps me then. See, okay, then was that God working in me? It must have been working in me because how did I know to say that for the in. In this person's audience, right? And I think that we have to do that more and more. We have to look at those people around us and when they say something that helps, man, we gotta jump and say, hey, that was great. Thank you. I needed that.
[00:28:45] Speaker A: Paul recently had posted in our chat, he was having a conversation with ChatGPT and one of the summaries of the stuff that he was talking about, he had asked it, summarize the Bible in terms, but use terms narcissists, narcissistic or narcissists, narcissists, narcissism. I don't know why I couldn't think of that word. Use the terms related to narcissism and empathy. And it simply summarized the Bible. And I think this is actually true, that it's a Journey from narcissism to empathy, where narcissism is the devil, empathy is walking like Christ. And like that's the path that we are all on, is how do we. How do we die to ourselves? How do we kill that ego, that pride, and become more like Christ? To where we're. Where we love ourselves, but we love others as we love ourselves. So there's a lot to that. There's a lot to that journey. There's a lot to that path. And that's what I think our job is in these end times is like before Christ returns, that is making the bride clean. You know that terminology in regards to the end times? Washing ourselves in the blood of the lamb. It's like literally becoming like Christ having that empathetic nature and there's nothing to be afraid of with that. Like, the world could be collapsing around us. And that is still our job. He expects us to be working and doing that up until he returns. Like, that should be our focus is just like, how can I love myself? How can I love others, loving others more than myself? Because if you're going from. From narcissism, you probably want to die to yourself a little bit more than you're used to. Like, how can you please others? How can you. How can you do things that you're not, that don't serve you, but that serve, you know, God, that serve the Creator, that serve other people.
[00:30:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I. The. The other day I was going to visit with a friend of mine, a couple, lovely couple, and I've been helping them with communication. And I was on the way there, I thought, you know what? I've got that Holy Bible app on my phone and I don't always listen to it, but every once in a while I please don't think that I'm holier than thou. I don't listen to it as much as I should, right? But for some reason I got in the car and started playing it and I was listening to First Corinthians, right? And it got to the. Remember the. The being all things to all men, right? In that section, it's talking about, you know, if. If someone serves you meat, go ahead and take part of it, right? Even if it's not meat that you would normally eat, if it blesses them, right? You still serve. But if they say it's offered to an idol. Oh, now because they said it's for an idol, now you got to not eat it because it's going to upset other people, right? And listening to that, I think about how being all things to all men that I have to meet people where they're at right in when they make a good decision, even if 90% of their decisions are bad, but they get that 10% where they make a good decision. I need to, I need to acknowledge that, you know, I have my, my brother's moved in with me, I'm helping him out. And my other brothers, they just had their second kid and I've got a couple people I've been counseling and they're all at different levels in life. And rather than hearing what they say when they do something good and telling them, well, here's the next step. Right.
I've been trying to pull that back and then compliment them on the step that they're at and be there and enjoy that level of victory.
Yeah, Maybe in my decisions, in my life, my household decisions, I might be a little ahead. Maybe I budget my money better, maybe I eat more healthy, but maybe I don't work out.
I should probably work out more. Right. So we're all at our different levels in different categories. And being there with that person when they make the right decision, you have no idea how much that solidifies someone. When someone just says, hey, good job. Right on. Like there's. Every once in a while I'll go up to my brother and I'll elbow him right in the shoulder ride.
[00:33:15] Speaker A: Right on.
[00:33:16] Speaker B: That was great. And you should see his face light up. I just think we should be doing more and more of that when we see it.
[00:33:24] Speaker A: Agreed.
Yeah, we, we're. I've been pretty much historically selfish in that regards to where really don't put myself out there to help others in the way that I really, in my heart's desire, I want to. And we've been trying to rise above that.
One thing that we've done is we. My nephew was homeless. He was living in his car, which. Don't dog living in your car. When me and my wife are going through our things. I lived in my car.
There's many times I'm tempted to go back to living in my car just so I don't have to deal with all the crap of having a home and a farm.
It's such a simple life. There's something to, there's something there. You shouldn't be looking down at these people. Anyway. My nephew was, he was homeless and living in his car and he needed someplace to stay. And like, he's not a stand up person. Right. I mean he's a good kid, he's got a really good heart, but he's got some challenges. He's a fighter, for one. He's what you would call a scrapper. Like, gets into a lot more fights than he should.
Probably smokes a little bit too much, if you know what I'm talking about. But by and large, he's a good kid. Normally, I would never, like, open my house up to somebody, even family.
And we've been making an effort to do more of that stuff to where it's like, you know what our stuff is just stuff. We don't care about it.
All we really care about is are we physically safe? Is this somebody that we can invite into our home and we can help them and know that our lives aren't in danger. And the answer to that was yeah. And there may even be situations to where, you know, you may put yourself into a situation to where helping somebody who may be physically dangerous, you know, somebody who maybe drinks too much, you have to. You. I've learned that you have to do this from a position of strength, and you have to. It helped us. I don't know. I don't like to use absolute. So I don't want to say you have to. But in our situation, think through what you're willing to sacrifice for somebody. So we, we knowing what type of person he was, we still wanted to help him because it's like, you know what?
We don't need nice things. We don't have to be perfect and pretty. We don't have to have this perfect life. But we're told to help others. Right. You know, if you see somebody who's. Who's down in the gutter and everybody else is walking by them, don't be one of those other people that walk by him. Maybe extend yourself, even if it's going to cost you something, even if they're going to be dirty, even if they're going to, you know, steal stuff, break stuff. So we consciously, like, okay, we're. We're willing to put up with him stealing from us if that's, if that happens, if he ruins our nice things, we're willing to put up with that stuff. If he doesn't listen, if he's hard to deal with, we made those decisions ahead of time because we felt comfortable enough with him being, you know, safe. But all that other stuff is just stuff.
[00:36:33] Speaker B: Right.
[00:36:33] Speaker A: So it's just like we don't care about the stuff. We want to do what it takes to actually help the person.
[00:36:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:39] Speaker A: And I think that's the mindset that we need to have. And it, for me personally, it's had such a dramatic impact because now where I would normally, like, make excuses not to give somebody money who's got to sign up on the corner?
Oh, they're just, they're doing it for work. Right. You know, they, they, they pull up in a van and drop them off, and it's somebody's business. They're just trying to use panhandling in order to make money. Giving them money doesn't really help them. That's not true. I, when, when I was actually living in my car, I got to meet a lot of homeless people.
A lot of people are seriously down on their luck. And that is one way that they actually have for getting resources. So what's the other excuse? Maybe they're buying drugs and alcohol. So what? What if they're buying food?
[00:37:28] Speaker B: Right.
[00:37:28] Speaker A: So it's like you, you have to understand that nobody's perfect. You know, we all have issues and we all have problems. And the whole path of going from narcissism to empathy, becoming less like Satan and more like Christ, is sacrificing really loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself. So your neighbor's not going to be necessarily clean and easy to love, but the more you can do to help them to get there. That's what we're supposed to be doing while we wait for Christ, and that's what he expects us to be doing when he returns.
[00:38:02] Speaker B: Yeah. You know that I see a lot of the comments talking about in the chat, talking about, you know, what about with children in the home or many people are one payment from homeless. Right. And it's true. We're all that close. None of us are. At least I'm not Donald Trump and have loads of cash or what have you.
I really think it's. You'll know God works in you. Right. And what helps me is to push my mind to think positive. And when I say think positive, I know everyone's heard this before, but why would an honest, smart, intelligent person be either taking these actions or in this situation?
And if I think from that point of view, then that is always defendable.
It's always defendable. If I, if someone has done something wrong and I say, well, this could be because of something, right?
And I'm going to help out or I'm going to give them advice on what the next step is, right. Then because I thought that they were. There's a positive reason for why they're there, they have good intent, then if later I find out that they had bad intent, I'm not going to Feel bad about that? Am I going to feel bad that you turned out to be a horrible person?
[00:39:40] Speaker A: Right. Yeah.
[00:39:42] Speaker B: So I'm sorry. I thought you were smart. I thought you were a nice person. I thought you had good intent. Right.
[00:39:47] Speaker A: Well, if you just assume they're. If you just assume they have bad intent in their. And you're okay with that, then you don't. You're not even disappointed.
[00:39:53] Speaker B: Yeah, well, but if I. If I assume that they have bad intent and then I find out that they had good intent.
[00:40:03] Speaker A: There you go.
[00:40:04] Speaker B: Oh, that burns. Right.
I just had a situation actually, earlier today where one of my co workers came to me and was saying, hey, you gave me direction to do this, and another supervisor gave me direction to do that. This seems like it's contradicting. And here I am thinking. At first I was thinking, oh, this person's going to try and throw me in the middle of their problem with another supervisor, and how do I avoid that? And then I, all of a sudden, clear as day, I thought, wait a minute. What if this person really has this question and they're not just making this question up to put me in the middle? Well, if they really had this question, then they should go and reach out to the other supervisor and ask for clarity.
So that's what I told him. Why don't you reach out to this other supervisor, ask them for clarity. Because I really think what they were saying when I was saying, do compliment each other is just. I gave more detail and they gave less detail. I would appreciate if you did that. And of course, he said, okay, I will. And then I sent a message to the other supervisor. I said, hey, this person came to me with a question. I think we're in agreement. Here's what I think. Here's what you said. And they want clarity. So I asked them to reach out to you. And I think that they really want to do what's right.
And then now, granted, I had to. I left for the day, so I haven't gone back to find out if this worked out in my favor. So maybe next Monday I'll tell you. All right, it did work. But my thinking is that by thinking of him in the positive light and forcing myself not to think negative, right then it allows me to set him up with the other supervisor so that it does work out in his favor. The supervisor says, hey, I do see that you wanted clarity. Here's that clarity. Here's how these two can be together. Or maybe that supervisor will say, well, we do have a difference of opinion. Why don't you put that on project on hold and let me talk to David and we'll figure it out. But by assuming the good intent and facilitating clear communication, I got nothing to lose, right? But if I was to then go the other way where it's like, ah, don't talk to them, you know, this is not right, or backbiting to the other super manager and saying, oh, this person just doesn't want to do the work.
I'm assuming intent, I'm assuming evil. And then if I'm wrong, oh, then I look like a horrible person. So that thinking positive, it's the only defendable action. So if that's not enough to convince you, besides the fact that God wants you to think positive, right. You gotta start doing that all over the place when we're helping you. Other.
[00:43:09] Speaker A: I'm so glad you brought that up because that is one of the things that has helped me. And this is recent. Like, I'd say probably in, like during the pandemic where I started realizing I thought I was listening to people, but what I was doing is I was interjecting like, oh, they don't really want to know that. Or oh, you know, it's like you start thinking evil and it's just like you, you ended up, you end up not listening, not believing and not really treating people with respect. And like, when you make a conscious effort to think positive, like, maybe the thing that they're asking me is legitimate, a legitimate concern, and this helps with your kids too. Like, stop focusing on how you're going to respond to somebody, because everybody wants to say no. People don't like to say yes. We all just want to say no. Stop focusing on how you're going to tell somebody no and actually listen to what it is that they're saying, what it is that they're asking. And if you repeat back to them what you think you heard and they say no, that's not at all what I, then you've got a problem. You're not listening to that person. But like, that is such a good point to where assume the positive, even if it goes against your intuition. If you want to assume the negative, don't stop doing that. Train yourself to assume that people are telling you the truth, even if they're lying to you. I mean, like, there's definitely skill in learning to identify deception and avoiding that. But by and large, with everyday situations with your family, your friends, your coworkers, your children, assume the honest intent, assume the positive and go with that. Answer the question, don't assume that they want to know something else.
[00:44:53] Speaker B: And to be totally clear, those people that are around you, you want to give them the opportunity to show if they have poor intent. You want to say the positive so that you can be proven wrong, so that you can decide who stands next to you.
[00:45:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:16] Speaker B: If you don't decide who stands next to you, guess what? Someone else is making that decision for you, and it's not in your favor.
[00:45:24] Speaker A: Yeah, you'll find out you're the. You'll find out you're the jerk.
[00:45:29] Speaker B: I told, I told my, my boys. This was in my book behind mommy in front of daddy, I wrote, I told my kid a story. I was like, you know what your friend's doing is, he's being an, right? Because what his friends were doing. I was like. And when I asked him why he was still hanging out with the friend, he said, well, I'm trying to help him change, right? I'm trying to help him get better. And I told him, look, your friend is being an. And you, by being next to him, you're turning yourself into a butt cheek.
Everyone else knows it, everyone else sees it, but you can't figure it out. And this kid was in, he was in seventh grade, sixth or seventh grade year high, right? And he came, he tells me, dad, I went and I told him, look, whatever the kid's name is, I won't say it because who knows?
But he says, look, you have to stop being an because you're turning me into a butt cheek.
[00:46:40] Speaker A: Man, I love it. That's awesome.
I'm not your butt cheek.
[00:46:47] Speaker B: You totally stop doing it. The kid didn't stop, right? And then the, eventually the, the. My son stopped hanging out with them and they, they played video games together, right? But my son at seventh grade could figure this out. And he told the, the kid invited my son to a birthday party. And mom was like, well, they've been friends for a long time. I think he should go. And I looked at my, my son and I said, you know, Gabe, I said, what do you think? And Gabe was like, well, if I go to this party, he's not going to take me serious, and he's going to think that I don't mind. He's like, I want him to. And I was like, okay, well what do you want to do? And he said, well, I'll. I'll give him a card and, and I'll give him a gift. So he went and got a card for him and he put 20 bucks. And at the time, I only got $30 a month, right. So 20 bucks to him was a big deal. And I was like, you know what, Gabe, I'll match that. I'll put another 20 in there. So gave him 40 bucks. Right. And my writes in the card, happy birthday, I wish you would change so that we could be friends.
[00:48:03] Speaker A: I love it. I love it.
[00:48:07] Speaker B: Blew my mind.
[00:48:08] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:48:09] Speaker B: And to, to go further with this story, they played video games together. So now my son couldn't play the same video game with him.
[00:48:18] Speaker A: Right.
[00:48:19] Speaker B: My son got involved with another crowd of kids that play video games. Ended up working with an after school program that gave him a four year scholarship that he's graduated University of Wisconsin.
[00:48:33] Speaker A: That's one of those hindsight things, right?
[00:48:36] Speaker B: That's what I'm talking about. Yes. And it's, you got to watch who are those people next to you?
[00:48:41] Speaker A: So let them.
[00:48:43] Speaker B: Let choose, choose to believe they have good intent. Let them show you that it's bad intent. And now, you know, you're a butt cheek.
[00:48:54] Speaker A: You know, it's funny, you get to.
[00:48:55] Speaker B: Another part of the body.
[00:48:57] Speaker A: I think that is the true heart of Mark and Avoid. You know, we were. Our experience with Mark and Avoid is marking somebody and avoiding them as somebody who's disastrous to your life and you need to cut them out like a cancer. I don't think that's the right way to look at that. I think Mark and Avoid is somebody is walking contrary to you. You need to let God put them through some tribulation and you need to stand your ground on what is right. But that doesn't mean that you avoid them forever. I think it's right to actually revisit those people from time to time and say, hey, are you still an asshole, you know, or have you changed?
[00:49:36] Speaker B: You know, I would go one further, that it's a matter of understanding how detrimental, how far their reach of chaos, how far is that reach and can I stay on the border of that reach? So I still know who you are. I can still send you a birthday card. I can still talk to you. Oh, you want my time?
Actually, I'm busy because I'm going to go talk with Watchful for an hour on the, on his podcast and maybe we can meet up another time. You know what, I can't go out at night, but we can meet for coffee knowing that when we go out for night, you're throwing them back like who knows when and now you're sloppy all over the place and I gotta take care of you. I don't want to take care of You, I'll go out with coffee, we'll do breakfast. Right. And so knowing how far that reach of chaos is, or dare I say how stinky the is, that turns me into a butt cheek. Right?
[00:50:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:42] Speaker B: These stories and more, they're in my book.
[00:50:46] Speaker A: I love it. What's your book? What's your book again?
[00:50:49] Speaker B: Your book is Behind Mommy in front of Daddy.
[00:50:53] Speaker A: Behind Mommy in front of Daddy. And this is on Amazon, right? You can find it on Amazon.
[00:50:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:51:00] Speaker A: I'll put, I'll put a link in the description when I go to edit this video. But that's awesome. That's really good. Yeah, I mean like I. Something that I've been learning is loving your neighbor as yourself is. There's really an emphasis. Loving yourself not from a prideful or egotistical way, but from a godly Christ like way. Like you don't put up with evil, you don't suffer it if it's going to bring you down. Right. That's at the point where you say, okay, I need to put up some walls. I need to put up some barriers. I need to protect myself. I need to protect friends and family. If you're in a position that's strong though, and you can deal with it, then by all means, deal, deal with it. And you know, if you're avoiding somebody, don't forget them. Remember, they're still your neighbor. So, you know, go back from time to time. I mean there's heal. Healing is amazing. Like forgiving people is amazing. If somebody has wronged you, give them an opportunity to, you know, to forgive. And likewise, you too forgive people constantly.
[00:52:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: Because you have no idea what God's going to put them through. Like God has. Tribulation has a way of eliminating excuses with people to where it changes them.
[00:52:17] Speaker B: That same distancing, it's the same thing with getting closer to people.
It's just the opposite. Right. So giving people good intent and then you see, you see their thankfulness, you see their appreciation. Hey, you know what? I'm having a pool party on Saturday. Why don't you bring your family over, we'll do a barbecue.
Hey, I really like the way you corrected my child in a very loving way. Right.
I'd like, why don't you come on over, pull those people, pick them out and bring them closer. Hey, you know what? That, what you just said really blessed my life. It made me think about. And there you're pulling them in. You really want to surround yourself with strength. Definitely.
[00:53:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes, definitely. Yeah, the, the stronger you can, the Stronger your circle, the more you're able to actually help people. Don't get locked in to only have that circle though. Make sure that you're looking for opportunities to help others because that's our job. You know, we're, we're meant to be reaching out to others.
[00:53:24] Speaker B: So, you know, I was saying that I've been counseling this married couple, friends of mine, and when you think about when God says that in reality he didn't really, he doesn't really want us marrying, right? That's, that's not the whole goal. It's. But if the, if, if the body burns. Yes, Right.
And if we're going to marry, we look at it the way Christ loved the church, right? So Christ being the groom and the church being the bride, right? So the, the way we bring our spouse closer to us even with their flaws, right? Now granted, my wife has to bring me closer to her because I'm the one with the flaws, but she's perfect. Let's get this straight. But even by bringing that your spouse with the flaws closer, you're assuming good intent, right? And it's that same practice, right? That's where, where God. Where it says in Corinthians, right? No, no servant can serve two masters because I love the one ate the other. Right? It, it's that same love to want to assume good intent, to want to bring them in, right? That's the same thing that we should be doing with everyone we come across.
And when we find that it's bad intent. Okay, now I need to find another part of the body going somewhere else, right?
[00:55:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
What a good point. That's a good point to end on.
You know, this is, this is what we should be doing during the end times. Loving each other and proving ourselves. Learning how to love ourselves so that we are representative of Christ. Like people, you know, move away from the narcissistic Satan mentality and move more towards the empathetical Christ like mentality. Loving God and loving your neighbor, that's the way to be. That's what we should be doing in these end times. Even, even if you're going through tribulation, it doesn't matter what's going on in the world, those things are always going to be the job that we have until Christ returns.
And it's the scalable solution for tribulation. If somebody is going through tribulation, then if we're all of that mindset, then the resources of the body of Christ will be there to help people who are in tribulation. So if somebody's suffering with addiction, suffering, homelessness, suffering, just tribulation, that's where the body of Christ can step in and help.
[00:56:12] Speaker B: Definitely. It. It's. It is that like, we. We forgive people. We don't forget.
We forgive so that we're not carrying around this weight on our mind. It. That forgiveness is for us. I. I really think it's a. It's. It's not that I want to walk around and every time I see this person.
Right. I don't want that. I want to know. Okay, well, yeah, I kind of expected this calamity to happen because here's the way you make decisions. I see it. Yeah. Sorry. I'm not forgetting. I'm forgiving and I'm keeping a safe distance.
[00:56:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah.
Was there an echo during the show? Somebody just said that there was an echo. I just now saw it.
I did not. You sounded crystal clear to me.
[00:57:13] Speaker B: That's what I thought. I thought you sounded pretty good.
[00:57:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Maybe it was early on.
Yeah.
Echo echoing the sentiment.
This was good. So we're at about an hour. We're. We're gonna wrap Wind this down. Thank you so much for joining us.
I don't know what the schedule is going to be this week. I don't know if we're going to do a consistent 4:00. I have a lot of work to do with producing these videos, so it'll really depend on who wants to come on. And I know Gregory is getting settled down, so he's moved on to. So he was gone in transition last week. I believe he's at his property and getting settled down.
Paul is in the process of publishing, like, three books right now, so he's really busy. I'm in the process of producing videos and music. We released two new songs this week. They're just now getting pushed out.
My goal is to get seven of them done by the end of the year and release an album called the Seven Assemblies. And the objective is I want music that reminds us in a positive way of what the churches, the assemblies from the Book of Revelation are supposed to do. And so far, it's coming along awesome. I'm like, I literally listen to this music on repeat all day long. I love it so much, and I hope you guys do too. We got two more coming out. We've got one for. It's called hold on, which is to Smyrna, and then another one called Stand Firm, which is to Pergamus. Pergamum.
So, yeah, working on that. And then also working on the videos that will encapsulate the data that I've collected on the prophecy being fulfilled.
Ideally, there'll be like 15 to 20 minute episodes that are just really entertaining to watch. And just like in the process of writing these scripts, I've actually learned new things about the Book of Revelation that are going to blow your guys mind. Like there's literally checks and balances in the book of Revelation. I didn't realize it until I was confirming this thing on ChatGPT and it pointed them out. They're like, did you realize that this is a mirror for, you know, Revelation 19? I'm like, I did not realize that.
So there's gonna be some really cool content that we're working on. So I don't know if we'll be on tomorrow. I'll, I'll post it in the community, probably Wednesday, because that's usually when Gregory is available.
So no promises for tomorrow. But just so you guys know what's going on, we're, we're not, you know, we're not abandoning anything or there's nothing really wrong. It's just everybody is so busy right now with the end of the year and like, everybody just has their hands full. So we'll see how things go. I'll let you guys know if we're going to do a show tomorrow or not, but that's all I got. You got anything, David? Before we go?
[01:00:02] Speaker B: I am thoroughly excited to be a part of this. I'm glad I was able to make it today and I'm going to try and make it as much as I can. This is a lot.
[01:00:11] Speaker A: Awesome. Yeah, Maybe we'll get you another time this week, do another show. All right, cool. Well, God bless you guys. Take care and have a good night. God bless.
[01:00:20] Speaker B: Bless.
