Is Babylon the Key to Understanding the END TIMES?

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome back to Two Witnesses Live. I am watchful. And we're joined tonight with Yasplain again to continue the conversation talking about Babylon and confusing the language. How you doing today? [00:00:12] Speaker B: Doing great. How are you doing today, sir? [00:00:15] Speaker A: Good. Yeah. I realized that with the gloomy weather, I hadn't been getting my vitamin D. So I pounded the vitamin D this morning and I'm actually feeling really good. So for those of you who are in gloomy weather, make sure you're getting your vitamin D, either getting outside side, getting some sun or supplements if you have to, because it makes a difference. [00:00:33] Speaker B: You're out in the. The west coast, right? It's pretty much rainy. Rainy for six months. [00:00:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. [00:00:43] Speaker B: I lived in. I moved out to Coma Washington for six months. We went out. We were doing a mission trip out there. And it was like the whole time it was just, you know, rainy and gloomy and stuff. And of course, you know, you're. You're going door to door, knocking, knocking on doors and stuff. And it's just like, this is not fun. [00:01:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:04] Speaker B: South Georgia. So I'm used to. Or Georgia. And I'm used to a little bit more sunshine and living in Florida as well. [00:01:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I did mission trips to Ohio and New York and it was a shock to my system to actually go through all four seasons. [00:01:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:20] Speaker A: What is this fall thing you speak of? What do you mean? Everybody comes out here for fall. Isn't that just winter? So, yeah. So last night we were talking about Babylon and Babel and how it means confusion. And we were talking about how the language, even to this day, we're still very likely dealing with the consequences from that division because we have our scripture that we use to basically direct our lives, that, you know, it's the foundation on which we form our beliefs, which in turn control our actions. And the fact that we're working from translations of translations which have errors that have been translated from different languages and know different. You know, you deal with so many different problems and we're still seeing consequences of that today, and it causes confusion. And we were talking about, you know, what do you do? How do you handle that in the body of Christ? And one of the things we had talked about was that's why it's important for the two most important commandments to love God and love your neighbor as yourself, because that is a scalable solution to get through those things. To get through that confusion. [00:02:45] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, that's. And that. You hear that too, like within. With any relationship. Right. It's all about communication. How do you eliminate confusion? How do you eliminate that? And I, and I, you know, you hear that all the time about communication. But I think it's also, it's, it's expectation. That's really, you know, when people have an expectation and that expectation isn't met, that could be a result of lack of communication. But really the relationship can be strained because the expectation is not met by the other party. And that's where it really comes into, hey, we should have communicated better or a different way or softer tone. And you know, we're all human, we all get into that and we have knee jerk reactions to situations that come up in life. And I think that's, that's the challenge too. It's like when, when you are being, feels like, I guess being attacked is not to rebuke back, not to fight back. And that was like the example or Messiah sought, taught us, right? To, to, to even though he was persecuted, he didn't sin with his mouth. And that's what, you know, it was a real, you know, he could have like lashed people and said I know the Bible more than any of you guys and you know, put them in their place and stuff and just what a spirit of meekness. And he did put people in, in their place at, at times and stuff. And it was, that was really the art, I guess of his, his, his ministry was on what to say and when to say and how to say it. And that's something we're all, I think, trying to do. [00:04:28] Speaker A: Well, yeah, it's definitely something that we can get better at because certainly, you know, I know there's been points in my life where I've been prideful, egotistical, mean, rude. You know, it's just like they're sharp edges. And I think I was raised well. Even though when I talk about being raised, you know, under questionable circumstances, I'm very thankful for my upbringing. You know, I highlight my experience so as a means to help others who may have gone through something similar so that there's somebody that they can ask questions to or maybe there's something from my experience on how I'm triumphed that I can teach and help others. But in the same way that I dealt with people who were egotistical, prideful religious narcissists, there's definitely been times where I went through that too. And I think that's an important thing to realize. And what's, what makes the household so vibrant is when we realize that we're all flawed, right? That we're all sinners. We all have these problems. And, you know, be. Be cautious on how you hold that against somebody. You know, we. I think we talked a little bit about recently. I don't know if it was yesterday, but recently about when was that conversation that might have been yesterday about how often. When do you forgive? How often do you forgive? Like, and, like, if you're not in a position. If you're in a position to where there's hurt feelings and, you know, there's been a fight of some kind and you need to walk away. I think it was in the context of marking and avoiding. You know, when I was raised, marking and avoiding was like a permanent thing, right? And I don't think that that's really the heart of the Scripture because it doesn't seem to fit with the heart of the body of Christ. Because the way I experienced Mark in avoiding is there was no forgiveness. It was, you've sinned so badly that you can't be in. You can't be among the body of Christ. And they would use it for small things. It wasn't like big things. It was just like they felt that you didn't love God anymore. Therefore they marked and avoided you because they felt you were bringing other people down. I mean, it's just like, seriously, that kind of mentality, that's kind of the thinking that I'm referring to when I say that I was raised in a cult is people get like, that is just like. And it's almost. It's like part of human nature in some ways, to where you don't want to be around people you don't like. But I don't think that's the right mind of Christ because Christ made an effort to be around other people that society deemed not worth being around. You know, he. Tax collectors, you know, society looked poorly on tax collectors, even prostitutes. Christ was around prostitutes. I mean, like, he surrounded himself with people who were sinners and who had problems. And I think that's a good. I want to say tupas, that's a Greek word, for example. That's a good example to follow for, like, we should make an effort to be around people who might make us uncomfortable. Because how else are you going to show God's forgiveness if you don't constantly. If you don't periodically reach out, like, maybe somebody does need to be avoided for a little while. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't go back and revisit if, you know, if the timing is right in order to give them an opportunity to apologize. Maybe you need the opportunity to apologize and forgive, but it just, it really comes down to like, the body of Christ, like, healing itself. So granted there's a ton of variables and there's a lot of things involved, but when it comes to, you know, the body of Christ and taking care of each other, it's a walk. You know, we want to. We want to be more like Christ. And like you were saying, it's just like he. He made the effort to, you know, talk to these people. He made the effort to forgive. [00:08:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm reading the verse here in Romans 16:17. It says, Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which you have learned and avoid them. [00:08:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:52] Speaker B: And so I, that's, I guess, you know, if you're, you're following that, if you are a part of a religion or some type of, you know, cult or, you know, sect of Christianity, and you say, well, this is what we teach, and somebody comes in bringing questions that don't align with those. I guess that's, that's kind of that. That challenge is like, because, you know, we believe people that are a part of that group say, well, this is what we believe. This is what we teach. And somebody like you or I or whatever, we, we do our own study and we come up with a different conclusion. And so now we have this, this, you know, budding heads of, of doctrine or understanding. And like, what did you do? What, what is, what's your recommendation as far as best practice if in that situation is. I mean, I guess it. You have. That's where the spirit of wisdom comes in. I think it's like, you know, how, how divisive is what this other person is saying? Is this going to cause the flock to, to scatter, to cause people's faith to be. To come into question? I think that's, you know, I see that a lot in like, especially like Torah community and stuff. People start asking questions that they'd never asked before or, you know, there's. They're starting to see conflicts with the Messiah or with Paul especially. I get a lot of anti Pauline type of cats running across my path. A lot of it just comes down to not really understanding the Scripture in the first place. They've already been tossed to and fro about certain things here and there, but it's kind of like, you know, it's. If somebody approaches, you know, the collective body with what they seem to understand as far as, you know, coming to a conclusion within their doctrines and the body's like, no, we reject that and there's a standoff, then that person has to, you know, leave. I guess, in a sense, you know, if they say this, how big of a deal is this? Is this, you know, you're worshipping an idol versus hey, I think we should do this on Saturdays instead of Sundays or something, you know. [00:11:05] Speaker A: Right. Yeah. Well, my experience is when you're questioning the doctrine. So, like, because I had a lot of questions, I remember specifically started asking questions about Genesis because I had noticed what I've now learned is called summary and expansion to where Genesis 1 is the summary of seven days. And then Genesis 2 goes into expanding what happened on those days. And I had started asking questions and boy, was I shut down and threatened. Like, you don't ask, you know, you don't question the doctrine. And it's just like that was my first experience to like. Because they looked at it as causing division. And it's just like asking questions and getting clarity going, you know, that could be conceived, that could be perceived as causing division. Is that something that you would mark those who walk contrary to you? I don't think it is. It's like you want to welcome that. I have a saying that, you know, truth withstands scrutiny. So like, everybody should be able to give an account for the things that they teach and believe. And if you can't adequately defend, you should be willing to consider other perspectives. [00:12:15] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I mean, it's a delicate dance, I guess, right? Because you, you know, you do have people that are in positions of authority and leadership and. And maybe you have somebody that comes along who's not. And it's like, do we give, you know, if you have a ministry of 10, 000 people, do you have an ear for 5,000 people that have their opinion of what they think this to say? And I guess that's the challenge. It's like, you know, what is in our minds worth giving ear to, you know, and especially if you are a part of something that has built and rooted a foundation for, you know, 10, 20, 30 years based upon the doctrines of that leader. That's hard to overcome. And like, how do you, how do you get in, in there? I've used to have kind of like visions of me, you know, being able to teach at this particular ministry I was a part of as well, like to share things that, you know, hadn't been looked at in a certain specific way. But it's like, how do you do that? And I had been given that opportunity, I wrote an article And I got to submit an article and it got published. And you know, I thought that was kind of cool. It wasn't anything really, you know, revolutionary or anything, but it was still my eye, my perspective, my way of doing it. And I think that's something that, you know, each person can just look for those opportunities to do that. And I've, you know, I've even still in contact with people from that particular ministry and have questioned things or brought things up and said, take a look at this. And they're like, well, you know, this is not what we believe. So okay, I, you know, I did my part. [00:13:56] Speaker A: Yeah, likewise. I'm, I'm in contact with people too. And there's people that I wish would respond to me because there's definitely hard hearted people who are like, because you're not with us, you're against us. And I reach out on a regular basis. The most aggressive I've been is I offered to come out and I think it was in 2020. I offered to come out and share the things that I was seeing, just to sit down with anybody who would literally listen to me. And they threatened to have me arrested if I stepped foot on the property. So they gonna do. [00:14:30] Speaker B: They weren't gonna hear it. Huh? [00:14:32] Speaker A: They weren't gonna hear it. [00:14:34] Speaker B: What was it specifically? Just that Genesis thing or. [00:14:37] Speaker A: No, no, that. So in 2020 it was that the seals are being opened. So I had, I had recognized that seal number one had been opened and I was pretty confident the seal number two had been open because of the signs that I had seen. And I wanted to run it by somebody. And I don't think I'd gotten to the point of seal number three yet. But I also had some other things. So it was also the Revelation 12 sign because I had actually checked 14,000 years. I went back and forward with Stellarium and a couple other star programs to see. I mean, it's really easy. It sounds like it's a big deal like going 14,000 years. You can literally just hold down the thing and it scrolls through and you can see the planets rewinding and fast forwarding and stuff like that. And you can see where they show up. And the sun and the moon always go through all the constellations every year. So you're always going to have, you know, the woman clothed with the sun, but it's not always necessarily the moon at her feet because the soon the. With the way that it moves, that is pretty consistent. So like every, I think it was like every 11 or 12 years you would get something close to the Revelation 12 sign. But the only time where you have the woman clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet and A crown of 12 stars is September 23, 2017. All other occasions it's like only like nine or 10 stars. Or if there's a crown above her head, the moon's not under her feet. Right. We were taught that that sign happened in 3 B.C. right. Because it marked when Christ was born. But this was another thing that I got in trouble for questioning because there was no crown of 12 stars. It was Jupiter that was in conjunction with Regulus, and the woman was clothed with the sun with a moon under her feet, but there was no crown of 12 stars. It was just that Jupiter was in conjunction with Regulus. So I had made the argument that wasn't the Revelation 12 sign. It was similar, but it wasn't the same. And it may have been the sign that the Magi had seen in order to know, to travel that the king had been born, but the sign itself hadn't actually happened then. So that's kind of what I meant with the Revelation 12 sign only happening one time in a 14,000 year span stuff. [00:16:56] Speaker B: Let me ask you this. Why do you believe that Jupiter is that star that the Magi were looking at? [00:17:06] Speaker A: Oh, that was based on that book from Dr. Victor Paul Werewolf, not Witness of the Stars. Jesus Christ, our promised seed. That was from his work. [00:17:17] Speaker B: Okay, yeah, so because I, I, I don't know if you're still recording, but you are grayed out on my end. Can you hear me? [00:17:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yep, you're good. Can you hear me? [00:17:33] Speaker B: Choppy here. [00:17:34] Speaker A: So huh. Yeah, you're crystal clear for me. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Give me, I think I can see I'm still connected. [00:17:43] Speaker A: Can I Mark? [00:17:44] Speaker B: Yeah, you're all garble lead up. [00:17:47] Speaker A: No, you're crystal clear. You're loud and clear. [00:17:51] Speaker B: This is what it was doing right before I, it crashed on me last time. So I just wanted to make sure we still have a connection here. Yep, okay. Okay. Loud and clear. All right. So yeah, I mean the reason I asked that question because I, you know, I've heard that too about Jupiter and that comes from the king planet. [00:18:15] Speaker A: Right. [00:18:16] Speaker B: And I think that that was kind of that teaching that you have Jupiter is, has the stripes on it. Right. That's, you know, that's good, good talk. But I was doing a little bit further digging and I think you've probably seen this in some of my videos, but just for the audience, who hasn't as far as you know, when, when The Messiah says he's the bright and morning star in the book of Revelation. Well, what star is that? That's not Jupiter. [00:18:47] Speaker A: Wouldn't that be Venus? [00:18:48] Speaker B: That's Venus. And so now think about Venus for a second. If you have the sun, right, as kind of representative astro, astro theologically as, as the king, the, the father and at the right hand of his throne you have Venus. So Venus can only be seen in the mornings and it can only be seen in the evenings because of its location to the sun. When we look out, the sunlight overtakes it. During the day you can't see it. So there's certain times during a year. So you have Venus, which is actually literally considered the eastern star. And through antiquity you have Venus is called Hesperus and Phosphorus. So these are two Greek words, two anthropomorphized mythological figures within Greek mythology that are considered to be Venus. And so if you look in and I believe it's where it says that he is the bright morning star, you have that verse, but also where he's called the day star or Peter calls him the day star. It's, it's phosphorus. Now go back to the Old Testament. When you look at Orion looking at, to the Greek, it's Hesperus. So here you have Hesperus and Phosphorus. Also that same Hesperus word is referred to as Lucifer or the so called Satan. And so I think that might be where the Mormons get this idea of Jesus and Lucifer are brothers or something like that. And so if you research Hesperus and Phosphorus, it's the same identity, but it's kind of like the dual thing of the same star. So you have the bright and morning star and then you have the, the star at night, the, the wicked star. And so, but Messiah, you know, I think a lot of people talks about being the, the bright morning star in Revelation. And then also Lucifer is the bright morning star. And, and that's kind of the story too is like he replaces this one, right? So but if you research Hesperus and phosphorus through antiquity, you kind of see that duality and it's all about the eastern star. And so I kind of, I got thinking like, well, maybe the star they saw is this eastern star, the Venus instead of, you know, actually being Jupiter. And there's a lot, you know, if you rabbit hole into Hesperus and phosphorus. And like I said, when you look in the old, you have to see it in the Old Testament Greek to see that Hesperus. And then when you start looking into who's Hesperus, he's phosphorus. And so New Testament, he's called Phosphorus Old Testament, you have Hesperus. And it's that, that duality and it's, you know, there's, there's also other things and representative of Venus as well and from a female perspective. So. But something threw out there to research and dig into a little bit. Maybe that's, you know, the star they saw. [00:22:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It could be in your research. So what, what caused you to go down that path? Had you, had you, had you heard about. Have you actually read the book Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed? Have you read that one? [00:22:18] Speaker B: You cut out read the book. That's the last thing I heard. [00:22:21] Speaker A: Whoops. Have you, have you read the book Jesus Christ Our Promise Seed? [00:22:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean that's kind of where I got my foundation as far as, you know, starting into. [00:22:33] Speaker A: Because I believe in there. It was also part of their calculation was based on Jose, the records of the historian Josephus and him noting. I don't think he records when he was born, but he records information about King Herod and about eclipses and stuff like that. And I think that was also used in conjunction with the star alignments when they did that. So I was curious if you had compared any of that stuff with your research into Venus. [00:23:09] Speaker B: Not. I mean, I don't recall a whole lot from, from just that perspective of that particular book and Josephus. I know that when I was doing like the birth of our Messiah series, getting into where it talks. I think it's. I want to say it's in chapter three of Luke where it talks about where they're giving attacks and they, they name a particular individual that a lot of people have conflicts with because they're like, well, this person wasn't around during this period of time. And I did research that within, within that book you're referring to. But it, there was still like just this contradiction. It was like, oh, well, we just think, think of this or something. And so I, I was rabbit holing into that and I didn't, I didn't finish kind of that series that I was doing with that. But I found like somebody else that this particular individual could have been at a different time period. And you know, like re. I changed my actual perspective on when the Messiah was born based on my latest research on the birth of our Messiah. Like I used to, you know, do the whole. During Sukkot, the feast of Tabernacles. I used to believe that. But then I got to, you know, studying this a Little bit more and researching it and talking about Zacharias, John the Baptist's father, he was in the temple offering incense and was visited by an angel. Well, this only you. There's only one day out of the entire year that a priest would be in there by himself offering incense, and that would be on the Day of Atonement on Yom Kippur. And so if you trace out John the Baptist's father, Zacharias is in there, he's offering incense. The angel comes and says, you're going to have a baby. Name him John, right? And so after. After he leaves, that's in September, he leaves there, we can assume, probably, you know, gets Elizabeth pregnant right after that. Because it talks about. If you keep reading into Luke 3, six months later, she's pregnant with John. When Miriam comes to visit, and Miriam isn't quite pregnant yet either. She gets impregnated around that time that she's visiting Mary or Elizabeth in Jerusalem, Judea says. And so if she's getting pregnant, that would six months later, from Sukkot, would put us into Passover in March, March, time frame, March, April. And so that's when John the Baptist becomes. He's six months into her pregnancy, Miriam comes in, the baby leaps, right. Gets excited, and she's like, now you're pregnant. So if you think about this too, from the perspective of these people, they would, you know, a lot of times, I think, going to these festivals and stuff, that's when a lot of procreations happening, a lot of these, you know, festivities. Festivities and events happening. So if Miriam's getting pregnant, March, April, nine months later, where does that put us? End of December. [00:26:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:27] Speaker B: So maybe he was born December 25th. And, you know, he is the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords. Right. So. And that's like all these other figures and cats want to be a part of this date or whatever. And I started looking at that and kind of just thinking about, you know, the sun crossing the Milky Way at this. This time period as well. If you look around December, end of December, the sun is crossing the Milky Way. It's going across this. And so it's like it's a new beginning, a new opening, the sun riding on the clouds, right? And so you have. There's a lot of things too, like a bead, the month of a bead. The seed in the month of Habib is young and tender. It's just a seed. So the seed is getting planted in March, April, time period. There's also a lot of things that happen you know, when the sun is crossing the equator, you know, it forms like a cross. You know, if you think about, like a sun cross, they have that within. Within religion, they make the bread and stuff like that and the sun cross. And so the sun gets to this equilibrium. And paleographically, from. If you look at the iron, it looks kind of like an eye or whatever, but it also has, like, a dot in the middle. And it's a circle with a dot in the middle. So it looks like a seed. [00:27:47] Speaker A: Right. [00:27:47] Speaker B: Impregnated into the ion. And so you have that sign, I guess, if you will, also kind of pointing to that. That perspective of him being born. So, I mean, I'm familiar with all the other versions of Sukkot and stuff like that. And I was like, to me, I think the nail in the head is that Zacharias was in the temple offering incense by himself. And that only happens on one day of the year and no other day. [00:28:13] Speaker A: Wow. I love those little gems, those little tidbits that's like this. It's like, once you realize it, it's like this. This is the only thing that it could actually be. And it's just like. Because, I mean, that's pretty important information. Like, if the Bible. If the record is referring to somebody being in a temple, and that only happens one time a year, you can narrow that. You can eliminate all the other times. [00:28:36] Speaker B: Right. [00:28:37] Speaker A: So that's really cool. I like that kind of stuff. Speaking of Christmas, did you get a chance to hear my Christmas song? [00:28:42] Speaker B: No, I haven't heard it. You gotta play it. [00:28:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm on a. I'm on a. I'm on a roll with making songs. I almost. I almost cranked out, like, three Christmas songs the other night because I was sent with my daughter. And they're, like, really into the holiday, like, decorating the tree and, like, the Christmas songs and stuff like that. And I'm like, we need some, like, scripturally accurate Christmas songs. So I made. Because they're always talking about the birth of Christ. I'm like, we should make one about the return of Christ. So I called it the Last Christmas, which is. It's all about him returning. I'll put it in the description. [00:29:14] Speaker B: I mean, I've. I don't do Christmas anymore. You know, I've. I've gotten away from kind of the. [00:29:19] Speaker A: We're trying to. [00:29:21] Speaker B: The tree. [00:29:21] Speaker A: It's really. It's really hard when all your family members expect you to do it. And it's just, like, getting. It's just like you're an outcast when you start to, like, observe the real holidays. It's so hard. [00:29:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I'm. I'm a curmudgeon for the. For the family, that's for sure. You know, it's. I can definitely imagine the peer pressure too, from. From the. From the youth and stuff. But I. I see that as far as, like, in scripture is, you know, it's kind of like the ways of the nations. And I don't. I don't think there's certain, you know, things about necessarily wrong with keeping traditions and. And keeping, you know, recognizing the birth of the Messiah and stuff like that. It's kind of like. But are we doing that biblically or are we doing that the way the nations did? And I've, you know, I've had to repent from that also because I've shared stuff about Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz. Right. The mark of Tammuz, the cross on the head and. [00:30:21] Speaker A: Yep. [00:30:21] Speaker B: You know, that's. That's something that, you know, when you see in Ezekiel, they were crying for Tamus during that. That period. And there's Alexander Hislop. I think even maybe the ministry we were part of taught this as well, or shared it about, I think, the two Babylons or something like that. But he. He talks about that Semiramis was in married with Nimrod or whatever, and he dies, and she gets impregnated by the sun rays and she ends up taking his phallic member or whatever. So that's why we have all these obelisks and stuff like that, and they, you know, sacrifice a pig and, you know, all these. All these different things. But there was a lot of stuff that just aren't really substantiated by history that we just really can't find. It's kind of a lot of loose connections and stuff. And so the idea is that Tammuz is the reborn Nimrod, so the Father becomes the Son. And so that's the right. Kind of gets syncretized into the Christian religion and stuff. And so I kind of like the story makes sense when you think about just from that trinitarian perspective of. Of how that works and, you know, the Queen of Heaven, Miriam, and stuff like that. And so that story, that theme is still throughout antiquity and history as far as Ishtar, Asheroth, Easter, you know, these type of ways of the nations that we have inherited. We've inherited nothing but lies, like we discussed last night. [00:31:53] Speaker A: Yep. [00:31:54] Speaker B: You know, we've been given these traditions and these things and start asking these questions like, well, why am I putting a tree in my house? And I remember researching that, and I was like, I could. I couldn't get much further than what's the German guys. He would put up. Like, the tradition was that he would put up a Christmas tree. [00:32:16] Speaker A: Oh, the guy that the Roman Catholics based St Nicholas on, it was like. [00:32:22] Speaker B: I'm thinking of what's his name with the print. Printing press. Gosh, Luther. Luther. Martin Luther. So, yeah, that was kind of where it got to. He. It was just like a tradition or something. He just started putting lights on and stuff like that. But I think you even. And I know people point to in Jeremiah where it talks about going in the forest, cutting down a tree, putting gold and silver on it and stuff like that. And some people's like, well, no, that's just an eye. That's an idol that he's making. And some people are like, oh, well, you have to, you know, kneel down in front of the tree to put a present in. [00:32:59] Speaker A: And, oh, yeah, I don't. I don't buy all that stuff. See, with my wife, with my. It's just because it was family time for her, because she didn't have a really religious upbringing, but her parents were. I would say they were probably more Philadelphia like people than some. Some of the most religious people that I knew growing up because they made such an effort to help people, like, you know, serving and, you know, homeless shelters, inviting people into their home to take care of them and helping them get on their feet again and stuff like that. So for her, she didn't have a real religious upbringing, but that was like a time for the family to get together, and they would talk about the year and spend time together and exchange gifts and stuff like that. So there's no association with any. I'm sure they talked about the birth of Christ. Right? That probably came up. But that's the biggest challenge that I wrestle with is, like, how do you move away from that period of time where it's something that's a good memory? You know, those. Those are happy times for them to move towards. You know, the more biblically accurate. The best I found so far is just teaching. It's just like, the more we learn about the. The festivals and what they mean, because they're open to that. They. They love the word. They eat it up. They want to hear it. So, like, you know, my wife and my daughter will sit down and we'll study the different festivals and feasts. But trying to integrate them into our lives. That's been a challenge that if anybody has any advice, what you can do. [00:34:30] Speaker B: Is kind of, you know, do what you're doing in. In that same vein, but do it during the biblical feast during. Because that's what really the feasts are about, is to teach us about the Messiah. And those are holy days, right? Holidays, holy days. So those are the actual true holy days. That. And, you know, and the teacher teach them, teach them the story about what. What it. What is the story about? So you have Passover, right? Peso. So that's about the lamb who gives his life. So this is the. The story of the husband and wife coming together in holy matrimony. So you have kind of like the rehearsal dinner for, for the wedding peso. The, the son, he pays his life, he pays with the dowry. During Passover, he pays the dowry to the father so that he gets the bride. And then you move into the next. You have unleavened bread, right? So unleavened bread. Like the bride's losing weight. She's trying to get into her wedding dress. She wants to get ready for her marriage. And then they go. You move into the feast of 50 days later, Shavuot, right? So 50 days later is when supposedly the. We receive the Torah, we receive the commandments. And so that's the I do's. That's when they. They make the vow. They swear, I will. I will do it. I will keep the commandments. And so from there, the. The sun goes off into battle. He's off into battle. And so then that brings us into the fall feast of we have the sun or the king returns for his bride, right? So the feast of trumpets. So we get out the trumpets and we blow the trumpets. And the kids love that. You know, you get. You get you a horn and shout yam teruah. So everybody's shouting, doing those things. And then you go into atonement. You go. So atonement is at one moment, at one moment. So you're coming together. That's kind of like the. The bloods being, the veils being torn. The husband and wife come together and then they go off into their honeymoon moon to Sukkot. And so that's fun to do with the kids. You know, everybody gets the palm branches. You build like tents. You go camping. You do all those things. We just did that recently. We had a couple friends. We went up into. Up into the woods and stuff. We built sukas, you know, and we decorated everything and put lights up and stuff and told stories and so there you can integrate the biblical story, you know, the holy days into that. And that's kind of, I think was the attention or intention is to understand, you know, the biblical feast and what, what they're about is because it teaches us about our Messiah, teaches us about the scriptures, about the Bible and stuff. And. Yeah, you know, because we, we were inherited. Easter, it's like chocolate bunny eggs. What is. You know, where's that come from? You know, where's the stuff with putting ashes on my forehead and putting trees, evergreens, eternal light and reefs? You know, a lot of these, these things that just aren't biblical and scriptural, they're just kind of handed to us through, through religion. And so I think that's something you can do is kind of incorporate the biblical feast. Good idea, understanding one of those and just. Yeah, it'll be like weird first year or two or whatever, but when you start doing the biblical things, it's like, man, this is actually kind of cooler. And I feel like I'm, I'm more in line with the heavenly Father, you know, and, and what he wants us to do is to, to know him and know his son. [00:38:10] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we have, we have Pastor Mark Biltz. He's been on the show before. He, he's a couple of hours north of me. I wish he was a little bit closer because he makes a big deal about every single one of the feasts. And like, they do a big, they do big get togethers and gathering to like, help people learn how to integrate these things into their lives. I wish there was something closer because I know my family would love it, they would absolutely adore it if, like, we could go someplace and be a big part of one of these, of all of these feasts. But we struggle to find, find something close. So it's just like we're trying to figure out how to implement it in our own lives. And I think that's a really good way of doing it. Just start doing it in parallel with what you're doing and then just make those, you know, start to move away from the stuff that really has no meaning and focus on the stuff that really is holy that's preparing you for the return. [00:39:05] Speaker B: All right. Yeah, I mean, let me know because I've, I know people. Like I said, I was out, out that way not too long ago, and a guy I stood with, Paleo, he's in like the Portland area. Not far. I don't know how far away that is from you. Yeah, but there's, I mean, there's there's people all over that, you know, are doing that. And so. And that's what, you know, we. We recently just purchased some land, and I hope to be able to have like, a big camping thing coming and doing some festivals and stuff here. Here in the future and stuff. [00:39:33] Speaker A: So that'd be fun. [00:39:35] Speaker B: But, yeah, I mean, that's. It really is fun when you get people and they start, you know, it's kind of weird at first, I think, for, like, a lot of us that have grown up here in Babylon, you know, in. In the United States. As far as you're like, this is. Feels kind of Jewy in a sense, you know, because you're like, right. Because it's like. And because you, you know, when you come out of c. Out of those ways of the nations and stuff. And I think that's kind of the challenge too, is it's like you don't want to jump out of one ditch into another, into another religion. You know, you start practicing, then you get into, you know, some people do that. They get into like, messianics or whatever. Messianics. And they're like, where do these guys have their weird traditions, too? Like, they're doing these things that aren't scriptural either. But yeah, I mean, it's really. The point is to gather together, to focus on the Son, to focus on the Father, and to. It's all about fellowship, because that's what the word. You know, we call ourselves the church. The word. The Hebrew word for called out in Hebrew is mikra, right? And so the. Called out that word, micra, means rehearsal. And that's what Paul. Paul said that these. These things, these feasts, he says, let nobody judge you on the Sabbath days or the holy feast. These things are but a shadow of. Of things to come. And so if these are things to come, then we should be rehearsing, we should be practicing. We should be partaking in the holy feasts that are set apart and stuff. And so that's kind of what. What we do during these seven feasts that are commanded in Scripture. So. And like, you know, we don't live in the land of Jerusalem and we don't do the sacrifices this and that, but it's. It's still. You can still, you know, do the dress rehearsal like for the big day, right? We're. We're all waiting for the big day when we get to rejoice and get invited to the wedding or be a part, be in the wedding, be, you know, married with the Messiah, be reunited when our Messiah returns. [00:41:47] Speaker A: Yes. I think we're all excited for that day. What's interesting, what I find interesting is people want to put up walls, and it's just like. And I think that goes to the heart of what kind of started this conversation with, like, there's some things I think people are willing to talk about, but then there's. There's walls that people put up, and that goes to. That. You know, what we were talking about with causing division. It's just like, if you question. There's certain things that if you question and somebody's belief that they'll. That they. They consider it causing division, which probably needs to happen in some cases, because if you believe a lie, how do you. How do you teach somebody the truth? I mean, sometimes that's going to be offensive, and they're. It's going to cause division. Well, that. [00:42:36] Speaker B: I mean, that's guaranteed to happen. You have heard that statement, like, if you're not getting much resistance from the devil, you must be going in the same direction. Right? It's. [00:42:45] Speaker A: Right, it's. [00:42:46] Speaker B: If you bring up like, hey, kids, we're not doing Christmas this year. We're going to do the biblical feast, you're gonna get some resistance saying that people are going to be from the devil, but that's going to be like the natural man. That's like, well, you know, but once you convert that to. To convince, showing them, like in the scriptures, hey, this is, you know, this is holy. This is set apart. This is peculiar. You know, we are a peculiar people, and, you know, we do things differently. And it's. You'll. You'll get met with resistance. But, you know, y'all. He rewards us for that. He rewards us for being faithful. So. [00:43:26] Speaker A: Yeah, and I think that's a good reason to. Where, like, if you are met with resistance and somebody does start to avoid you because you're exposing them to the truth, don't walk away from them, you know, revisit that. I think that's. That's. That's a good mentality is to think about people. And I do this myself, too. It's just like, I'll go through, like, even people who, you know, I offended on Facebook because I have a way of doing that. Don't we all? There's only been one or two people who I've actually blocked on Facebook because I'm pretty. I have a pretty thick skin when it comes to insults and division. Just through the course of my life, there's only been one or two people that I've actually Blocked. And now that I think about it is I should probably go revisit them to see if, you know, tribulation has a way of changing people. And I think it was during COVID It was during all of that really hardcore division where, you know, people felt very adamantly about things, that it's just like, there were certain people that were just going so hardcore that I'm like, yeah, we can't be friends anymore, but I should go revisit, find them again. I think. I think we should all keep that in mind with, like, who's somebody that was involved in your life who maybe you haven't talked to in a while that might be worth checking in on. You know, maybe the Lord's changed their heart. [00:44:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, that is a big thing. Like, people. People change. And it's. It's. It's really important to be pliable, I think. And I think that has that too. Like, sometimes when you are offended by somebody that says something, so say you're like, no more Christmas trees, no more this and that, somebody might get offended. That's probably going to have more of an impact. The truth will eventually resonate. And I remember, like, especially when I first started kind of questioning the Torah, getting into these things and, like, debating these people back. And I remember people, specifically one person was just being really offensive and. But I continued to search out what he was saying, regardless of how he. And then, like a year later, I remembered having some conversations with him, and I went back and said, hey, you were right, even though you were kind of a jerk to me. But it helped me. It helped me to dig deeper and go further. And so I think as, you know, brothers and sisters, sometimes we're worried. We don't. I don't want to offend this person, and I don't want to lose this friendship and this and that. And you might. It might happen. You might not ever gain that person back. And it's like, well, who are we pleasing? You know, are we pleasing our father? Are we pleasing people? And that's, you know, that's the challenge, I think, you know, because it hurts to. To just want to, like, love people and present them with the truth, and they reject you and they kick you to the curb or whatever. And it's like, well, ABBA honors that. You know, he's gonna, you know, he brings it back tenfold, so gotta hang in there. Like you said, reach back out. And that's what, you know, speaking of the feast, that's what one of the fall feast is all about. Is repentance. It's atonement. Coming back, you know, doing that, returning that, that fast, so to speak, from, hey, let's put aside these things and let's, you know, that's what we do as part of. Part of the feast, is reach out to people and say, hey, I'm sorry if I offended you. I remember having this or something. And so that's the biblical. That's why it's a cycle. It's cyclical. It's to, you know, each year doing, like, just participating, getting the leaven out of your house. And I think that's why Yahuwah is so, like, so much wiser than us, because. [00:47:13] Speaker A: Nope, 4:00, you. You froze up there a little bit. [00:47:19] Speaker B: Did you lose him? [00:47:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I hear you now. Now you're clear. Last thing I heard was Yahuwah. [00:47:27] Speaker B: So Yahuwah, like, he. You know, why does. Why does he give us these commands? It's like, is it just like some box I need to check off, or is there something to learn from it? And I think that's like, part of atonement, repentance, unleavened bread. It's about losing that excess weight, losing theological junk food within our. Within our spiritual walks. You know, it teaches us, like, it's training us in the way of righteousness on how to. To observe your surroundings and say, like, you look in your pantry and say, what all leaven do I have here? So that's kind of like a human tool to analyze, you know, take inventory of what you have in your cabinet. And it's like, that's the physical side of it. What's the spiritual side of it? Can I take an inventory in my personal life of what leaven do I have in my life? What bad doctrines, what bad teachings do I have? Am I wasting time watching too much tv? Too much Internet? You know, is there something that's causing to me. Me to become inflated, bloated with. With bad knowledge and understanding? It's like, I get this all the time too. About, like, hey, the commandment don't eat pork or shellfish? Why? Is it because it's some religious obligation? Or is it because shellfish are the filters of the ocean? Is it because pigs don't digest the same way as cows? They don't sweat. They're toxins. You get parasites. And maybe the father just loves us. And so that's what faith is, right? That's trust. I'm gonna trust Abba, even though I love bacon. Oh, I love the lobster. But you know, he's telling us not to do these things because they're toxic, they're bad for us. So he loves us. It's like, well, that's why he tells us to keep the commandments. That's why he tells us to partake in these festivities. Because I might not understand fully, but I can still put my faith in the Word and partake in these things. And Yahuwah teaches us and we grow each and every time, you know, because that's kind of two. Part of the tradition is. Is to sit down and read the scriptures regarding these certain things and asking those questions. Like in Hebrew, they call that the. The darash or midrash. Darash means to inquire, to seek. And then midrash is to have. That is the word for story. That discussion back and forth. And that's really like. Like we're talking here is like having that growth, that growth period. And each individual grows every time these events take place because we are obeying the commandments. And Yah rewards us for that. [00:50:04] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. Well, that's great. So do you have any, Any other. Anything else that you've been studying in regards to Babylon and confusion that you wanted to share in maybe the last 10 minutes? [00:50:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I, I'm gonna put together a video if I can get everything organized with not Internet breaking down, heater, dryer. This morning I woke up, the refrigerator wasn't running. I'm like, ah, another thing that's the worst on this land. I've gone through like three pieces of major equipment, but, oh, no, no, it started running. I, like, I put hands on it and it started. Came back to life. [00:50:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I kid you not. I have a superpower when it comes to electronics. My wife will. Something will stop working and she'll, honey, come over here and stand next to this thing. Because everything starts working when I stand next to it, because I can never find out what's wrong with it. It only stops working when she's around. [00:50:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, as far as, you know, Babylon and confusion. I think that's like we. We were talking about last night just Leshan being that confusion of languages. And then sopa sapa is confusion of borders. And, you know, I kind of, I. I think people question that about Israel, you know, and it's kind of like if you look at prophecies and what's going on, it's like what. I think it's in Ezekiel 39, it talks about, you know, who's going to inherit this portion of land. It's either like it's end of Ezekiel or something about, you know, who's getting what portion of land. And that's, you know, biblically throughout all of scripture and even today people are fighting each other, killing each other over dirt, over, over pieces of land. And I think that was kind of, you know, from the Jewish perspective that don't have the revelation of the New Testament, that don't read into that stuff. And seeing that the Father says that wherever he places his name, that's where, you know, that's our inheritance, that's where we are. And it's not necessarily about a particular piece of dirt. And maybe there's some prophecy left to be fulfilled there. But I, I see just a ton of prophecy really fulfilled from a spiritual perspective that we are corporally the, the body of Messiah, that we are the temple that we are no matter where you are. That's the kind of the promise to Abraham is like he, the seed would be in the, in the nations, throughout the entire world. And you know, that's one of those theological junk food things I think people can get hung up on is prophecy and, and wars and we talked about it last night, conspiracies and stuff like that that can come up, that can really just occupy your time and take away from, you know, worshiping yah by taking care of your neighbor, by taking care of your brother, by reaching out to somebody that you've offended and somebody that maybe just needs, needs to hear from you and, or you know, that's. We don't always have to be right. You know, sometimes just be sorry even if you are right, you know, be, be apologetic and stuff. [00:53:32] Speaker A: And so that's a big key is that's something that I struggle with and I've been trying to practice myself is not like how do you suppress that feeling to correct somebody? I mean, because there's a lot of value in letting somebody be wrong, right? Because you can ask them targeted questions that will get them to the truth far better than just by hammering them over the head with no, that's wrong. This is what it's supposed to be. This is the truth. And that's something that I've been trying myself is just like, rather than trying to teach, try to teach by asking questions. So if, if so, and it helps to be empathetic, it helps you be empathetic because you have to understand from their perspective what it is that they believe in order to formulate the questions that get them to the truth that you understand. So it's an empathetical approach to bring somebody to what you understand. So it's just like, okay, if what you believe is true, then how do you explain xyz? And then they have to, if they give an answer of like, oh, well, you have to take it on faith. I'm sorry, that's not an answer. There's a better answer. [00:54:46] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, I was, this morning, I was just going through my head about, about faith. You know, you think about what faith is and what. We've kind of one of those things too that we've been handed down. It's how I thought I was thinking as faith. What we've kind of been taught, I, I, what I believe personally is we've been taught not about what faith is, but we've been taught to agree. And what I mean is a lot of people agree with Jesus, they agree with the Scriptures. But, and I, and I see this the more I study, it's not about faith in the Messiah, it's faith of the Messiah. That's what we're, that's, that's what faith is, is to have, is to do, is to have to do what he did to have the faith of Messiah. And you know, that is faith in the Messiah. But you have the faith of him because he is showing us the way. And that's how you're saved. And it's not just a mental ascent, a mental agreement, like, oh, yeah, he was faithful to his Father. He kept all the commandments, he showed up to all the feast. He kept the Sabbath. He did, you know, he was Lord of Sabbath. He did all. You know, it's like, well, wait a minute, I'm, I'm an apprentice. I'm, I want to do if, you know, what a contradiction that we've been handed down. It's like if I'm not doing what he did, then I'm not really following him. I might be agreeing with the principles, I might be doing these things, but my faith is manifested by the works that I do. My faith is shown and it's proven on my behavior. And there's, that's, we talked about last night is that spirit of the Torah and the Spirit of wisdom and the Spirit of. Now, when I say spirit of that means like the essence of it. You know, that's, it's the core, it's the root, it's the, it's who, who you are as, as a human being. You know, it's to, to produce that fruit, to, to walk in those footsteps. And so that's having the faith of him is circumcision of heart. You know, baptizing yourself and immersing yourself in that. That righteousness and. And that behavior. And, you know, it's obeying the Father. That's. [00:56:59] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. [00:57:00] Speaker B: The whole Bible is about obeying Elohim. And when you. When they don't obey, they were scattered. And it's kind of like we've been given this grace, not of something that we've done of our own, but it's. You know, it's a. So it's kind of like, hey, if you've been given a free pass out of jail because you committed these crimes, I don't keep going out and committing the crimes. I don't keep, you know, doing this the ways of the nations. I repent of that. And I. I come to the scriptures and I. I have the faith of Messiah. You know, I just agree. Yeah, that sounds like a good. Good idea. [00:57:37] Speaker A: What a good point. Yeah, that's a. That's a really good point. To end on is recognizing that, you know, how are you just agreeing with something or are you actually applying it? Right. Because it's in the application that you actually are truly believing, you're truly following. You're becoming more like Christ, where it's one thing just to agree. And I think you're right. So often a lot of people sitting in the pews, they're just sitting there shaking their heads. Yep, yep. Sure. I agree with all that. And then they go out and they just. They don't do anything that they were agreeing to. Don't be like, yeah, sounds good. [00:58:13] Speaker B: I mean, that was kind of, you know, growing up in the church, like, what? I don't. I don't want to burn and go to hell. I'm sure I'll believe in Jesus. Yeah, sure. [00:58:23] Speaker A: I'll say the words. Yeah, I'll say the words. Give me my ticket to get out of. Out of hell. Free Jacquard. [00:58:29] Speaker B: Well, I mean, that's what we talked about last night was. I was talking about fortune tellers. It's like we kind of treated the Father as. Like he's some genie in a bottle that we could rub and get our wish. You know, if I put my token in, he's gonna give me a smooth word. Pastor's gonna say, be a soothsayer. It's gonna say something soothing. And I'll get my fortune, and then the windows of heaven will be opened up because I put my money in. And so we kind of just had that treatment of the Father. Now I'VE just had a different outlook and perspective on. It's like, you know, just keep the commandments, keep it simple. [00:59:07] Speaker A: There you go. Keep the commandments and keep it simple. Words to live by. Well, cool. Thank you so much for joining me tonight. Thank you, everybody, for watching us. Make sure you hit that, like, and subscribe and hit the notification bell. If you like the content that we're producing, make sure that you comment. Let us know what you guys think. Let us know different things that you're that you're working on in your lives so that you can actually apply stuff rather than just agree. Right? We don't just agree and ignore, but we actually apply and do so. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. God bless you guys and have a great night. [00:59:44] Speaker B: Shalom. Shalom. [00:59:45] Speaker A: Shalom. Shalom.