Unleashing Healing: Biblical Steps to Restore a Nation!

[00:00:00] Speaker A: All right, welcome back to the Two Witnesses Live. It's great to see you guys this evening. Tonight we have an exciting show. We're going to talk a little bit more about the election and what's going to come next. We're going to talk about. We're going to take a look at the last seven years or so, see what we can learn about what's happened from the last seven years and how it informs what's coming next. We're going to talk a little bit about overcoming cultural narcissism and forgiving and rebuilding as a nation. And then we're going to end out with what we're thankful for. So before we get started, let's go around and tell us who we are. So, Gregory, who are you and what do you do? [00:00:42] Speaker B: Yeah, my name is Greg. So I do have a YouTube channel called Yasplain. And the heart behind that was kind of just, you know, the integrity of the scriptures. I started that channel, I guess, back in 2018. Kind of one of the things that I woke me up, I guess, from my fog that I was in, was the coming of the Lord was the first video that I ever did and understanding the parousia. Parousia and understanding that I had a little different take on the Rapture that I'd previously had learned and understood for. So I kind of woke up doing a deep dive study with that part of the ministry I was part of and a little bit of different stuff going on there. So it kind of just woke me up out of a funk and I started asking more questions and getting awakened to the rest of the Bible, so to speak, you know, because ministry I was part of only focused on the epistles for the most part and didn't really, you know, everything else was written for them, written for these guys here. Written for their tumor is written. And so I started reading the rest of the Bible in its context and woke up and really just dove into the Hebrew and the Greek. And I think that's getting the original understanding and intent of the purpose of Yah. So I say yah as in that's, you know, instead of God or Elohim, Yah is like a more personal yahoo in the Hebrew. So that's like the personal name. So have a personal relationship. You want to have a personal name. And so that's kind of one of the things I went into is just learning more of the Hebrew and the roots and understanding where our faith came from, the contending for the faith that once was before Constantine came in and before you Know a lot of these other folks within the second and third centuries. [00:02:35] Speaker A: Oh, great, thank you. And your channel's name is Yasplain, right? [00:02:40] Speaker B: Yasplain, that's correct. Yeah. And it's just, you know, it's. Some people confuse that with like mansplaining or something like that. And that's not like kind of the intent to do that, but just to explain it from Yah's perspective, to give people understanding that. Just simpletons from one, one simple disciple to another, you know, it's just understanding the basic concepts. [00:03:05] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I got it when I saw it. That's kind of the reason behind my name. I have a channel called I am Watchful and it's kind of a play on words because in the Old Testament God says I am. So I used to introduce myself, welcome back to Watching God. Because that's basically, it was just like in Hebrew you read left to right or right to left. So it'd be like watchful, I am so watching God. There's always a play on words. I don't know if I've ever explained that, but gotta love those titles that give honor and glory to God, right? [00:03:34] Speaker B: Amen. [00:03:35] Speaker A: Paul, who are you and what do you do? [00:03:38] Speaker C: Well, I'm, I am retired today. I finished a four day job on putting up one piece society. I, I had to tear out a bunch of. I had to pull out a jackhammer. I had all kinds of stuff. But it's up. Yay. [00:03:59] Speaker A: All right. [00:04:01] Speaker C: But you know guys, I'm, I'm super excited about having Greg on tonight. This is going to be, I think, an awesome show. And you know, you guys, you guys have these great clever names. I actually had mine before I even knew I had a name. I was still in the hospital. I hadn't come home yet. Yep. [00:04:26] Speaker A: Well, that's a pretty good Hebrew Shaol, right? Sha. Yeah, one of, one of my favorite, one of my favorite names is Rav Shaul because it sounds like something from Batman and I think it just means Teacher Paul or something like that. Paul the teacher. [00:04:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Rat. [00:04:41] Speaker A: Rabbi. [00:04:41] Speaker B: Rabbi. Rabbi. [00:04:42] Speaker A: Rabbi. Yeah. So we could call you Rob Shaw. Rabi Sha. I love it. Well, cool. So we're two days after the events of the election. Now that it's done and over, what do you guys think is next? Any thoughts? [00:05:03] Speaker B: Peace and safety. [00:05:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:10] Speaker A: So you think we should be looking for peace and safety then sudden destruction. [00:05:13] Speaker B: That'S what comes right before the destruction though. So we don't want that. [00:05:17] Speaker C: You know, I'm kind of wondering if we are in a bit of a time. You know, I think Trump has his ideas, what he wants to do, and he's already started on that. But the people have been kind of pushing behind Trump for a while, and now all of a sudden, it's like floor mat getting ripped out from under them. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:41] Speaker C: You know, where do we go? Where did the people go next? [00:05:44] Speaker A: So what, so what people go where. So you've got the people that have been exposed, right. What do we do with them? You've got the people who have fought for this day. What do. What do they do? But yeah, so. And then, like, to his point, peace and safety. So, like, is there. Does Trump say peace and safety? Although I kind of have a feeling that the United nations signing the Pack for the Future was probably that Pack for peace and Safety. I don't know about that one, because what is the sudden destruction? I don't think we've really seen any sudden destruction yet. So that could actually still be in the future. So it could be that the Trump administration is the one who says peace and safety, then sudden destruction. [00:06:33] Speaker C: That could be. You know, I think peace and safety is a good thing, and I think all, all of the people can incorporate that into their lives. I guess I kind of think about stuff a lot of times of I can only control me, so what am I going to do? And peace and safety is a pretty good approach there, but I really don't think that is enough. I think that alone will get us destroyed. [00:07:07] Speaker A: The peace and safety, if he. If he. If he tries to bring in peace. So if he, like. Because I think the next thing we're looking for is he's going to call Russia. Right. And try and bring peace to this, this conflict over there. [00:07:22] Speaker C: I think we, we as people have. If we don't bring in God, we're in trouble. [00:07:28] Speaker A: Yeah, No, I agree 100%. [00:07:32] Speaker C: I think that's how we got to where we are. Where we. Where we are work is we kind of pushed God out and pushed, you know, I want me. [00:07:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:43] Speaker C: In. And that's not really been a great experience. [00:07:48] Speaker A: Right. Yeah. I mean, that just goes to what we've been talking about with the narcissism is. I think that's probably why we are where we are today is because a lot of people have been so concerned about themselves and not the nation and not others. So, you know, now we have a president who is coming into office who cares about others. I mean, that's a really interesting question. Peace and safety. So does him coming in and bringing Peace. Is that when the sudden destruction flame the world, are they not going to be able to handle that? Is that when like the wars, those who, those who have been so selfish, you know, these last four years, is that when they're, we finally see them bear their ugly claws and their, and. [00:08:36] Speaker C: Their teeth, maybe that lights, that might light their fuse. [00:08:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:44] Speaker B: Because. [00:08:46] Speaker C: They wanted that, they've wanted the warring for a long time and, and having that shut down may just cause them to light it up further. [00:08:58] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I could see that happening. I mean, especially. And that could be part of what has happened with that pack for the future. The interesting thing about that pact for the future is it gives the security General of the United nations the power to declare a shock event. So could there be something that happens when, you know, the Trump administration declares peace and safety? And I'm not saying that they are, I'm just saying that that's a possibility, like, so let's, let's consider that as a possibility. So maybe peace and safety is, you know, comes in with the current administration because I could totally see that. Right. With Donald Trump, I mean, that's all he's been talking about is, you know, calling up and bringing peace. I could see some, you know, the people who are angry that he's in office now see him. I could see them actually declaring some kind of global shock event so that the security general gets his emergency powers in order to do whatever it is that he would do. Huh. [00:10:14] Speaker C: Well, how much power has been, you know, maybe codes and whatnot have been shifted to the United Nations. [00:10:22] Speaker A: True. Yeah. [00:10:27] Speaker C: See? Could we pull up, could you pull up anyway? Isaiah 1 and then I'm thinking like 10 through 24. That really kind of bears on this. And it's important we make the right decisions. [00:10:49] Speaker A: Yeah. So. Isaiah 1. [00:10:54] Speaker C: Yep. [00:11:09] Speaker A: Figure out where yas plane is. There he is there. [00:11:13] Speaker C: Hey, Greg. [00:11:15] Speaker A: Yeah, now we can see you. [00:11:16] Speaker B: Hey, what have you guys been up to? Yeah, I can hear you. Sorry, my Internet left this bomb. [00:11:23] Speaker A: No, that's all right. You left this bomb about peace and safety. You're like, peace and safety. See ya. [00:11:31] Speaker B: The rapture just happened. You missed it, right? [00:11:38] Speaker A: I don't know, your video looks kind of sideways. Are you able to like get your phone? [00:11:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I had to go to my cell phone. Sorry about that. [00:11:48] Speaker A: Ah, gotcha. Now we're looking at your hand. There you go. That's much better. Yeah. That work? That works. Yeah. So peace and safety. So we were just kind of speculating because I'm kind of wondering if the pack for the future that the United nations just signed, isn't that, you know, peace and safety? Because it's for. When they say peace and safety, that's what that pack for the future kind of did. But something that is in that pack for the future is it also gives the security. General Antonio Martinez. Don't quote me on that name. Something like that. He's a security general of the United Nations. It gives him the power to declare a global shock event, which issues him emergency powers, kind of like Palpatine in Star wars to where he now has, like, control over the world armies, something like that. So we're just kind of wondering if, you know, now that we're aware of the. [00:12:49] Speaker C: Oh, now. [00:12:51] Speaker A: Quite angry. What? [00:12:55] Speaker C: I thought you were frozen. It must have been me. [00:12:58] Speaker B: No, he froze on my end, too. Well, I mean, I think, you know, we read. We read that verse, I believe that's in, like, Thessalonians, right? And it talks about peace and safety. And I, I was kind of consider considering, you know, Zelensky had messaged, made a message about President Trump and saying peace through strength. And I was kind of like, well, does that strength is, you know, is there a tie in between strength and safety? And I think there is, in a sense, and kind of like, are we looking for, you know, someone to come out and say peace and safety, or is that just an overall expression to understand that, hey, things are looking good now, things are going our way. But I think, like, that's the kind of the context, too, is that Paul's saying, you know, we are children of light, that we are not in darkness, and that the day of Yahuwah, the day of the Lord, comes like a thief in the night, and we are not going to be, you know, surprised at these things. And, you know, most people try to guess this and that, and it's like, when we're always watching, we're not surprised. We always have that expectation. But at the same time, I mean, that kind of gives us. Go ahead. [00:14:23] Speaker A: So what do you think it means for where we're at right now? So, like, you know, does it. Is it going to relate to anything that's happening, like with the United nations, with the Trump administration? How will we be able to recognize it? And what does that sudden destruction mean? [00:14:42] Speaker B: Well, I mean, I asked that question, how do we know Trump isn't the psyop, Right? Have you ever considered considered that he, you know, he has a Kabbalah teacher that he quotes in his book that he pays homage to and somebody was, you know, had that discussion the other day. It's like, you know, we look at kings in the past. King David, you know, he didn't have a great reputation. Even King Cyrus, you know, he was called the Messiah. According to the book of Daniel, he was. He was referred to as the Messiah. And that's how, you know, when Trump put Israel or Jerusalem as the capital, when he was stating that, you know, they kind of compared him to King Cyrus from Persia. And so I think kind of, you know, we have a responsibility as a nation. You know, that's part of what it says in the Torah, is that we are to select men within our communities that are righteous, that judge rightly, that, you know, act a certain way and behavior. And it's our responsibility as community members to select that person to guide us and lead us. And ultimately, the king was supposed to be all about the scriptures. He would read the scriptures, have it written down, record it, you know, make it a part of his life. And so we ask that question is like, do I see that in Trump? Well, no, not necessarily. But that doesn't mean that the Father can't utilize him to accomplish his will. [00:16:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:17] Speaker B: So if we're not trying to find, like the ultimate righteous Messiah, he's not our Messiah, but he could still be chosen for a specific purpose. And I asked that question. Oftentimes it's like, you know, even Nebuchadnezzar wrote chapter four of Daniel. So the Father can. Can use people lot to do certain things to accomplish his will, and they might not necessarily be righteous or whatever. So. But I mean, I think it's. I don't know. It's a good question. I asked that, too. It's like, you know, we. We go and vote and do all this. And Daniel, it does say that he, Abba, Father, he sets up kings and brings them down. So if he's setting up kings, does our vote really count? I mean, that's kind of a question. Does it. Does your vote really count or is he. He's going to choose whoever anyway. [00:17:15] Speaker A: I think it does because I get the sense that God uses. He works in the people, and he uses the systems that are in place in order to accomplish his will. Because we saw a massive movement of people who voted for him. I mean, you could argue that, you know, what's going to happen is going to happen. But I think you make probably one of the best arguments for, you know, is Trump a good guy or a bad guy? Because that's been a really common question that I've been wondering there's a lot of people who think he's the Antichrist, or more specifically, the little horn who's going to rise up and usurp other horns. And the question is, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Well, I think everything that's happening is by God's own design. He's making it happen even in unleashing the seals. And the effects of those seals is serving his purpose. Because I think that I've just. As a joke. It started off as a joke, but I've gotten way more serious about it this last year. Is Trump one of the two witnesses? Because they've tried to kill him and they haven't been able to do. And that's one of the key attributes of the two witnesses. But you could also make the argument that the two witnesses are two groups because it says that, you know, they're the two olive trees and the two lampstands. So there's a lot of arguments you could talk about with the two witnesses. But I think you make a really good point in that it doesn't matter. God sets up the king and he's using him for his purpose. [00:18:50] Speaker C: You know, one of the things I was thinking about is I remember Israel as it's coming out of Egypt. They were having good times, things were going great, and they were having bad times. And it really kind of depended on which God they had their focus on God the Creator or some other God. And in this country in the US People have been focused on the wrong God quite a bit. And money was the big one that they were after. And we have reallocated money, that's for sure. A whole lot of us don't have a lot, and there's very few in the world that have a huge amount of it. That's not really what our focus should be. I remember being told, like in voting, you should vote what's most important for your family, what's in your family's best interest. And somehow or other that got kind of perverted over into what's going to put the most money in your family's pocket. Well, I think we should be really kind of focused on what puts God the Creator front and center. I, I see it too, in how people relate to, you know, either the political parties or to a candidate looking at them as being the answer. They're not the answer. God the Creator is. [00:20:24] Speaker A: That's right. [00:20:26] Speaker B: Well, I mean, he. He has no hands, but our hands. [00:20:29] Speaker A: Really good point. [00:20:31] Speaker B: And, you know, I brought that up just because, like, you know, like, like you were Saying, Greg, I think, or watchful that we. I heard somebody say this the other day, like the adversary, the Satan really has no authority or power that. Only that we give him. Like, if humans weren't doing evil, he wouldn't exist, in a sense. And so it's kind of the same way with the Father is like he. We are his manifestation of him, his representatives. You know, he has no hands but our hands. And so we get things done, we accomplish things, accomplish his will. And it's, you know, always when it comes to voting, it's like, people vote for the lesser of two evils. They always say. And it's like, well, that's still a vote for evil. It's like, you know, should you cast your lot for that? You know, for that particular person, for evil, the lesser of two evils, I guess. And so it's always hard to judge, too, because we have information coming to us through the. All these different mediums, pun intended, with that in some sense that, you know, how do you even know what's true these days, right? How do we. How do we, you know, just because they say something, we don't know stuff that's like, I didn't watch any of the, you know, his, his hearings when he went into court and was accused of all these things and certain things. And so we have to rely on the information that's given to us and kind of make a judgment based upon, you know, the information that we're given. And at times it's like, how do I know that's even true? But I think, like, what Paul was saying just kind of earlier we were talking about 2nd Corinth or was in Chronicles about Solomon and hit 2nd Chronicles 7, I think it was. I don't know if you want to pull that up. That, that was kind of a great section of. It was Hanukkah, which means dedication of the temple. So Solomon, they had completed the temple. And he responds to Solomon, he's saying, if you do all these things, then this. And if you don't, if you turn to the Elohim, Akrim, other gods, then this is going to come upon you. And like Paul's saying here is like, is this leader going to lead this nation back to the Father, back to, you know, our, our Creator, back to the Commandments in school. Like they took the commandments out of school years ago. And we, we all knew what, what was going to happen then, right? It's like, when, when will our king lead us back to. Back to the Father selling us, you know, selling Watches and sneakers and, you know, all these other things. It's like, well, you know, bring us back to the Father. [00:23:23] Speaker A: Yeah. What did you. What do you want me to read here in Second Chronicles? [00:23:27] Speaker B: Okay, so let's see. Second Chronicles, seven, maybe. I mean, that whole sec. Go ahead. [00:23:42] Speaker A: Starting 12. [00:23:45] Speaker B: I was going to say verse. I mean, yeah, maybe 7. 11. Verse 11. Start. Start in 11 and then just read through the end of the house of. [00:23:56] Speaker A: The Lord and the. And the king's house. And Solomon successfully accomplished all that came into his heart to make in the house of the Lord and in his own house. Then the Lord appeared to Solomon by night and said to him, I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for myself as a house of sacrifice. When I shut up heaven and there is no rain, or command the locusts to devour the land, or send pestilence among my people. If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and I will forgive their sin and heal their land. [00:24:40] Speaker B: Now, hold on, hold on a second. Right there. [00:24:43] Speaker A: Yep. [00:24:44] Speaker B: So just reading this, this couple things, I thought it was kind of interesting is talks about I, if I, the Father, saying if I shut up heaven there, where there's no rain, or if I command the locust. That locust kind of made me think of Revelation where it talks about the demonic spirits of locusts and stuff and pestilence. He. And he says, and if I send pestilence among my people. So that's. That's judgment, right? From, from the Father, that he's the one doing these things. And, you know, a lot of people like to blame the devil and stuff for some of these things. But it's one of those idiom of permission, which I think you're, you know, familiar with, is he allows these things to take place. But it's interesting too, you know, people that he's called by my name. And that's kind of reminds me of how the Messiah, he was given the Father's name, Right. And so we're part of the family name. And that's kind of what that really means is to become part of the family name. And, you know, when we get born again, when we become believers, we become a part of that family. We have been given his Shem, that name. [00:25:58] Speaker A: Well, and there's also a parallel there with the two witnesses from Revelation 11, because isn't that what they do? Don't they do similar things? They're able to stop the Rain and control the plagues is my understanding. So you know, his people. Because there's an argument to be made that the two witnesses could be two groups of people, you know, Smyrna and Philadelphia, from the churches that have nothing to repent from. You know, the church under crushing pressure and the church of brotherly love, or even Jew and Gentile, you could put it that way. You have Jew and Gentile or Manasseh and Ephraim. There's a lot of groups that could fit into that category. To where that goes back to what we were saying. He has no hands but our hands. [00:26:46] Speaker B: Right. And I think here too, it talks about forgive their sin and we'll heal their land thought of this too. If you've. Maybe you guys are familiar where Peter is talking about by his stripes you are healed or were healed. And then, you know, if you read that complimentary verse in Isaiah says you, you will be healed, you know, and so. But we, I think I say we like me just from my background, kind of looked at that from a personal perspective, like I've been healed, which is true in a sense. But if you read through Isaiah, he's, you know, he talks in this corporal language where it's. The nation is being healed because he says in Isaiah, your head is sick. You know, you've been given these plagues because you have disobeyed my commandments, you have disobeyed my laws, and I put all these things upon you. And so as a corporal body, Israel was sick and scattered and dispersed. And it's through Messiah that he brings us healing back for the nation, in a sense. And so if we look at it from that corporal body, we have been healed as a group of believers in Messiah. And that kind of happens, you know, spiritually, in a sense. You know, we become that body of Messiah, the new, the new creation, the new Christ, the new man. Not the old disobedient Israel, but the new obedient Messiah body. [00:28:25] Speaker A: Yeah, and we see that a lot in learning from his example and obeying, you know, the commands he gave us. Love God and love your neighbor as yourself, as a body. When we do that, that is the scalable solution for peace. That is how you overcome the sin. That is how the land is healed, how the people are healed. That is the solution. [00:28:49] Speaker B: Yeah, they all turn. Turn back to the. Back to the Father, to obedience, in a sense. Because all throughout Scriptures, you know, he said, I've sent Saviors to you, I've sent prophets. And they're all calling them back. And there's been many new covenants. Even Moses, he first got the covenant in Sinai and then got another, renewed the covenant in Horeb. And then when Joshua, they renewed the covenant again. And so there's like this cyclical throughout Scripture where people are being renewed and refreshed and being drawn back. And that's kind of like what we want to see, I think, as a leader of our nation. It's like a heart after Yah. Like, kind of like David. So it's good. I mean, like, keep. Keep reading. I would keep reading this. Go ahead. [00:29:39] Speaker A: So in 15. Keep reading. [00:29:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:42] Speaker A: All right. Now my eyes will be open and my ears attentive to prayer made in this place. For now I have chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there forever, and my eyes and my heart will be there perpetually. As for you, if you will walk before me as your father David walked, and do according to all that I have commanded you, and if you keep my statutes and my judgments, then I will establish the throne of your kingdom. As I coveted, as I covenanted. As I covenanted. Geez, that's a hard word to pronounce. As I covenanted with David, your father, saying, you shall not fail to have a man as a ruler in Israel. There you go. [00:30:36] Speaker B: That's. That's the if then statements. Right. For now, I've chosen, say, if you do this, then that I will establish the throne of thy kingdom, according which I have covenanted with David, thy father. And so that's. That takes us back to 1st Chronicles 7. I believe it is where it says we kind of tied in through Christianity as it talks about, I will give your son to sit upon my throne for forever. And so that's. But it's more directly talking about Solomon, you know, and if he misbehaves, then I will. Will whip him and punish him. He'll go through all these pains. And that's kind of what happened. Right. We happened with. But if you keep reading that through chapter seven, you know, it just talks about, hey, if you do all these things, if you disregard my statutes, my commandments, my mishpa, and then serving these other gods to worship them in verse 19. [00:31:39] Speaker A: Yeah, we should continue reading that because I think that is relevant to, you know, how do we. Because I want to relate this back to what do we do going forward? How do we build a society that's focused on service rather than self? So I'll go ahead and keep reading here in 19. But if you turn away and forsake my statutes, and my commandments which I have set before you and go and serve other gods. Huh. Interesting. The other gods here. And, you know, in light of what we've been talking about with narcissism and that God complex that comes with that, that spirit of antichrists, the man of sin, the son of perdition, who sits in the temple of God as God, showing himself that he is God. That's what I think of when I read this. And go and serve other gods and worship them. Then I will uproot them from my land which I have given them, and this house which I have sanctified for my name, I will cast out of my sight, and I will make it a proverb and a byword among all peoples. So basically you'll become a meme. [00:32:45] Speaker B: Well, I mean, it's kind of like. Is that. That's kind of fulfilled in a sense. You know, people. The J boys give. Giving people a hard time. And a lot of, you know, a lot of the stuff that goes on, you know, they're pretty much like a. A bad word or whatever, the way. The way they've been treated. And he kicked him out of the land and got rid of the temple, and it's like not doing it. [00:33:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Should I keep going in? 21. And as for this house which is exalted, everyone who passes by it will be astonished and say, why has the Lord done thus to this land and this house? Then they will answer, because they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, who brought them out of the land of Egypt and embraced other gods and worshiped them and served them. Therefore he brought all this calamity on them. Man, there's your great tribulation right there. Yep. [00:33:46] Speaker C: You know, that's. That's really close to what we've been experiencing as a nation as we drifted away from God. Look. Look how close we are to calamity right now. You know, World War 3 was right on the precipice. We've got people who don't have the money to be able to get food to eat. That was not a real good plan for us to focus on a God other than the true God. [00:34:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, look at what's happened over the last seven years. You know, there was. There was a time of peace, and then we went through a time of tribulation. You know, look at what this administration, this current administration, not the incoming administration, but this current administration did. And look at the effect that it had. You know, high. You know, it's expensive to buy Food. I mean, like, at least double, if not quadruple or more. You know, look at the people who are living on the streets. This is. This is the effect of those. Of that godlessness. I mean, I think of that. Did you guys see that Kamala Harris speech where somebody. Where she was speaking and she said, somebody yelled out, jesus is Lord. And she said, you're in the wrong rally. That's that godlessness that's been leading this administration. And look at all the calamity that has resulted as a result. [00:35:10] Speaker C: Yeah. And same thing happened to Israel. You know, Reid, we talked, but we didn't quite get to reading it. Read Isaiah 1:10 through 24. [00:35:40] Speaker A: Share it. I don't think I shared it. [00:35:45] Speaker B: This actually really ties in. Glad you shared this. Talking about spiritually, Sodom and Gomorrah talks about that in Revelation, and I. I see that as Jerusalem. That is kind of the horror. There's code. There's code names. You know, sometimes they say Babylon, this and that. And so. But that's kind of Israel or Jerusalem was, you know, worshiping these other gods. They had these other images. The image. The false image says, you have replaced my. My name for. For the Lord, for baal. And so spiritually, Jerusalem was the Sodom and Gomorrah. And that's where Paul was talking about in Galatians. He's like, the first. The first woman was Sinai, and the second woman. And he talks about the. The mother of us all from. From above. And so that's the second. That is the new Jerusalem coming down from above versus the old spiritual Jerusalem, which was corrupt with idolatry and all the worshiping of man and beast and everything. [00:36:59] Speaker A: Do you think a lot of that's going on over in Israel and Jerusalem now? [00:37:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm certain of that. I think that's. I think that's within every nation. I think it sits on all seven hills, honestly. And I think it's a system. [00:37:17] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, it's just. The whole world is like that. I mean, the whole system of the world is geared towards getting people to serve other gods, getting them to serve themselves. I mean, serving themselves and serving other gods. That's for sure. Where did you want me to read in Isaiah? Do you just want me to start in Isaiah 1, Paul, I think he left. I think his dog. [00:37:39] Speaker B: I think he said, verses 10, the dogs are barking. He's got to rest his feet. Yeah, he said us. Verse 10, literally. [00:37:50] Speaker A: All right. Hear the word of the Lord. Did I say that loud enough? Hear the word of The Lord. You rulers of Sodom, give ear to the law of our God. You people of Gomorrah. To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to me, says the Lord. I have had enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight in the blood of bulls or the lambs or goats when you come to appear before me. Who has required this from your hand to trample my courts? Is that a question? Who has required this from your hand to trample my courts? Bring no more futile sacrifices. Incense. Incense is an abomination to me. The new moons, the sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies, I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts, my soul hates. They are a trouble to me. I am weary of bearing them. When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you. Even though you make many prayers, I will not hear. Your hands are full of blood. Whoa. That's. That's intense. [00:39:12] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, it's interesting that, like, a lot of people use this to these verses to kind of dismiss the law. [00:39:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:20] Speaker B: And say, oh, see, he doesn't. He doesn't want these things. But if. I mean, the first verse you read was, hear, give ear unto the law, give ear unto the Torah. And the point is doing all these sacrifices, doing all these things, if your heart is still corrupt, if you're still evil, then your sacrifices are meaningless. There's no point. And that's like, I hate your sacrifices because you're hypocrites, not because I commanded you to do them. And I hate them, you know, but it's. It's the. The hypocrisy. Your hands are full of blood. [00:39:59] Speaker A: This reminds me of the scariest verse in the Bible. And in that day, many will come to Yeshua saying, lord, Lord, did we not cast out demons in your name? Did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not do many wonderful works in your name? And he will say, you know, get away from me. I never knew you. It's that heart. It's like, you know, you can. You can go through the motions, but if you're doing it for, you know, other gods, you're, you know, not the true creator. If you're doing it for other gods, then it's detestable to him. It's like you can go through the motions. You can. You can do the things that appear to be holy, that are really only bringing glory to yourself. They're not really honoring God. And this is the result. It's detestable because when you obey the law, it's beautiful, it brings peace. It brings the fruit of the spirit. Love, joy, peace, long suffering, humility, temperance, all those things. When you love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself, it brings glory and honor to God. But when you do it to yourself, when you do things for yourself, because maybe it makes you feel spiritual or whatever, when you're doing these sacrifices to other gods, they're detestable to Him. [00:41:18] Speaker B: He says, when you make many prayers in Proverbs 28:9, it says, Whoever turns his ear away from hearing the Torah, his prayer is an abomination. [00:41:36] Speaker A: You know, Torah. Torah just means teaching, right? It's just. [00:41:42] Speaker B: It's instruction. [00:41:44] Speaker A: Yeah, it's instruction. [00:41:45] Speaker B: And that's funny, because Abraham, you know, we're like the faith of Abraham. It says in Genesis 26. 5. I believe that, you know, he followed the Torah even though it hadn't been written. [00:42:03] Speaker A: Yeah, well, because he followed instructions. Yeah. It's just like the Torah, you know, that's. That's the thing is it's like, what did men have? What did people do before there was the scripture in writing? You know, they had the information, you know, because Abraham was righteous. Abraham was just, you know, there's. There's been several people who did the will of the Lord before it was written down. But the writing sure makes it helpful when you can refer to it makes a lot clearer. Something that we can all agree on, right? [00:42:43] Speaker B: Well, I mean, I think that's. It's the spirit of the Torah that we, you know, live by. And so, you know, there's a lot of things that are. This is an agrarian culture back then to 3,000 years ago or whatever. And so there's things that aren't necessarily applicable, but we can still learn from it. You know, it's. Our schoolmaster teaches us things on how to walk, what they call in Hebrew, holocaust, right? The way to walk. And, you know, we learn we walk under that spirit. Not under the letter that kills, but under the spear of hey. Because not everything in life can be written down. You can't write every single thing down that could come up in life. And really, it's just. It's like our. Our commandments for the. For. For our nation. We have, you know, the Bill of Rights and all these, all these things we have. We have the guidelines. And that's kind of what the Torah, when we say keep the Torah, it's like that's the guideline of righteousness. And it's like ten Commandments. It's like honor. First commandment is honor the Father. Have no other gods before him. [00:43:51] Speaker A: Yeah. So we got 15 minutes left. Let's talk about. What are action items. What are action items that we can do, given what we've just read, for overcoming this cultural narcissism, for forgiving others and rebuilding as a nation so that God can bless the land, so that our works aren't detestable to him. [00:44:16] Speaker C: I've got a scriptural site that gives us some guidance there. If you look at Micah, chapter six. [00:44:25] Speaker A: Man, I haven't been in Micah in a while. [00:44:27] Speaker C: Right. Verses two through eight. [00:44:36] Speaker A: Hear, O you mountains, the Lord's complaints and you strong foundations of the earth. For the Lord has a complaint against his people, and he will contend with Israel. O my people, what have I done to you? You testify against me, for I brought you up. Is that a statement? Testify against me, for I brought you up from the land of Egypt. I redeemed you from the house of bondage, and I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam, my people. Remember now what Balak, king of Moab, counseled and what Balaam, the son of Beor, answered him from Acacia Grove to Gilgal, that you may know the righteousness of the Lord. With what shall I come before the Lord and bow myself before the high God? Shall I come before him with burnt offerings with calves a year old? Is that what you wanted me to read, Paul? [00:45:38] Speaker C: I. I thought so. Two through eight. Yeah. That was not. I must have written it down wrong. Okay, here's another one. Is Jeremiah 27. 29, 7. And you may want to look at. [00:46:04] Speaker A: Like 4 through 7. [00:46:07] Speaker B: Jeremiah. [00:46:08] Speaker C: Jeremiah what? 29. Sorry about that detour. Didn't mean to take it. [00:46:16] Speaker A: No, it's good. I haven't been in Micah in a while, but that wasn't that. You know, I wasn't really clear on the. I mean, I kind of understood the instructions for what do we do going forward, but I'm kind of looking for some action items, you know what I mean? So, Jeremiah 29. [00:46:31] Speaker C: Yeah. And then particularly seven. But four through seven, maybe. [00:46:39] Speaker A: Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, to all who were carried away captive, whom I have caused to be carried away from Jerusalem to Babylon, build houses and dwell in them, plant gardens and eat their fruit. Take wives and beget sons and daughters, and take wives for your sons, and give your daughters to husbands so that they may bear sons and daughters, that you may be increased there and not diminished, and seek the peace of the City where I have caused you to be carried away captive and pray to the Lord for it, for in its peace you will have peace. For thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, do not let your prophets and your diviners who are in your midst deceive you, nor listen to your dreams which you cause to be dreamed for. They prophesy falsely to you in my name. I have not sent them, says the Lord. Did I read too much? That was good. [00:47:41] Speaker C: Yeah, a little bit, but that's all right. [00:47:42] Speaker A: I was just like, this is good. I want to keep going. [00:47:46] Speaker C: A couple things I heard is we're, you know, we. We should be praying for the country as a whole. [00:47:53] Speaker A: Yeah, we. [00:47:54] Speaker C: We should definitely be praying and not trying to straighten this mess out ourselves. We're the ones that created it. [00:48:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:02] Speaker C: And we should be seeking peace between each other, really, you know, being empathetic towards each other, loving our neighbors instead of, you know, trying to make the biggest bucks and all of that business that just. [00:48:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I kind of. [00:48:20] Speaker B: I kind of, you know, struggle with America in the sense that we have sanctioned sin into our laws. You know, we have opened our bathrooms, opened the bedrooms, let all these foul spirits roam through this nation. And I think that's kind of where our prayer needs to be. As far as, you know, we. We've codified these things. I think that's kind of part of the judgment that has come upon us, some of the tribulation. And I know personally, for myself, I would. I was a passive Christian for many years just because, you know, I wanted to love like. Like Jesus did and. And just, you know, kind of turn. Turn the other cheek, and not really, but, you know, when you read a lot of the prophets, even the Messiah, it's. They always stood against sin. You know, you can still love somebody and rebuke the sin, you know, rebuke. And it's. It's the. You know, we all. We always say, you know, it's the sin and not the sinner, but it is the sinner who is. Who's doing the sin. And we don't want that confrontation. A lot of times, I think, as believers, to, you know, to confront somebody for. For that. And I think that's part of the struggle, too, is people who aren't part of our fellowship or part of our household. It's like, it's not really my position to. To judge this person that's outside of this body, that's outside of, you know, the things. Because we've got our own messes within the Church, right, to deal with and criticizing other people that are outside of our household and stuff. But I think as far as from a nation's perspective, you know, we have to look at like, how can we change these laws to be, you know, that where sin's not sanctified, it's not sanctioned, it's not, it's not law. [00:50:25] Speaker A: Well, that's one of the reasons why I'm excited about Elon Musk being in charge of government efficiency is I'm hoping he tears apart some of these laws that have been, you know, oppressing people. Same thing with Trump. He has a history of, you know, for every law that they implement, you have to get rid of five of them. It's just like we've been oppressed and like, things, things that have, you know, shouldn't be in law to, you know, like taking the Ten Commandments out of school, stuff like that is just, you know, tore this nation apart. [00:50:54] Speaker B: Well, isn't that, that's what the Messiah really got on to the Pharisees, he says, y'all have abandoned the commandments of God for your own traditions, for your own laws. You know, they, that's what a lot of people miss. You know, growing up in Christianity, we didn't really understand that there's actually this Talmudic law and these other laws. And a lot of stuff that Peter Paul is referring to is, you know, you're trying to become righteous by, by your own laws, not the law of Yahuwah, not his law, because he gave us a law. And then you guys have added on to it, which is a violation of, you know, Deuteronomy 4 is like, do not add to or take away from my commandments. And so we see that in a society that becomes so litigious and everything's a law, these man made laws. And when we have the spirit of Elohim, it's like, you have no need for all these laws. When you're walking righteously, you know, that's, that's walking in that spirit of obedience. It's like, there's nothing against me, there's nothing for you to accuse me of because I, you know, I'm not breaking any laws, I'm not doing anything wrong, but we've just piled law upon law upon law and it just becomes a burden. [00:52:09] Speaker C: You know, one of the things, one of the things I've noticed about politics here lately is whenever people talk politics, they get very mechanical and they talk about very legalistic and how the law should be. And there's really very little Talk about how do we do this in a way where we are more loving towards each other, where we're really taking care of the people around us. If we arrange the laws this way well, then it's going to be more loving. If we do it that way, then it's not. We really don't focus on that. And unfortunately, a lot of the laws that are, you know, a lot of the issues that they're funded by people that are going to make massive money if we go one direction or another. So they've got money as the God up there pushing the issue. And we really don't have love pushing the issue. [00:53:13] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that's why I'm excited about the, you know, the stuff that you've been studying. I think it's so relevant going forward is I really do believe that, like, you've nailed it with this narcissism stuff. This idea of, you know, I like the God complex because I think it illustrates the narcissism really well. And it's. And it's really in opposition to the spirit of. It's really in opposition to the anointed one, the Messiah, who didn't have a God complex, but it's just like. So you've got like these people who think they're God or who worship other gods rather than the true God. And then you have the Messiah, the one that we're supposed to follow and mimic and mirror and do his commandments, do the things that he said that we should do. And that's love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and your neighbor as yourself, which is just completely opposite of narcissism. And I think as we continue to understand that, we'll be able to identify it, label it, and do something about it. And I think that'll be really healing and helpful. Not only will it help people identify that influence in their life, maybe even in themselves, but it'll also allow us to get past it and about it. [00:54:31] Speaker C: Right. Yeah. I, you know, I just think it. It would be really interesting, you know, how when people talk a political issue with somebody across the aisle from them, they can talk calmly for a while, but eventually they start kind of trying to bully each other. [00:54:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:52] Speaker C: And you got to believe my way. No, you got to believe my way, you know, and that kind of thing going on. It would be very interesting to see two people cross the aisle from each other, discuss an issue, but they are only allowed to talk about the different people affected by that issue and what kind of possible solutions would help or hurt Them and move all the way around the horn, look at everybody. Not, not just, you know, this person or that person. You know, when I, when I think of like abortion, there's a lot of talk about freedom of the mother. Right. And there's not much talk about what the baby would like, you know, and just. [00:55:46] Speaker B: Yeah, they, they, they want to punish the baby if something happens bad to the mother. [00:55:52] Speaker C: Right. Yeah. And, and, but if they got the impact of everybody up there and how would, what would work best for everybody and talk about issues that way. [00:56:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I like it. I think that's, I think one of the approach. [00:56:12] Speaker B: I'm kind of reminded of, you know, where it talks. I think Peter says, you know, he, the Messiah was without sin. And in that context he was saying when he was persecuted, he did not sin with his mouth. You know, he did not talk back or talk down. And that's kind of, I think a lot of, you know, some of our situations within this country we've gotten into is because of some of the rhetoric, you know, the decorum kind of went out the window. People we just kind of name calling this and that. And we were talking about that earlier, that God complex is when somebody talks condescending to somebody. We experienced that last week. I think it's condescending. So con means with and then descending. And so they're descending their words as if they are up high and you know, talking down to you. And so they talk in that tone in that, that way of like, I'm, I'm better, I'm superior than you and I need to, you need to slow down and read so you can understand, you know, type of mentality or listen to, listen to our commandments, our laws and will. Just, you know, lawlessness is kind of, you know, what has been almost, it's, it's kind of funny that we have written laws for lawlessness. [00:57:40] Speaker C: It is lawlessness when, when it comes down to, you know, bullying is what wins, you know, who, who can call the most names, who can, you know, suhooing courts and you know, and all this. That's. It is lawlessness. It's, you know, the law becomes whatever anybody wants it to be. [00:58:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:03] Speaker C: Which means kind of a complete and utter lack of any law. [00:58:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Which is, which is. Yeah. I mean like we've seen so much of that and that's, that's something that I'd really like to continue on the conversation, you know, maybe tomorrow is how do you put your foot down? How do you put your stake in the ground for what's right and wrong without being condescending in a loving, empathetical way. Because there are definitely sheep in wolf's clothing who, you know, are doing the work of the adversary who just want to steal, kill and destroy. How do you protect yourself from those? [00:58:42] Speaker C: That sounds good. [00:58:44] Speaker B: I think something I learn is like. Or tell myself, it's like I can always be wrong, you know, always have that potential that you are, are wrong. And that's why I said earlier about, you know, we watch stuff on the media, this and that. It's like, how do you know he's not really the psy up and stuff? It's like we could be wrong and have, have that, that heart to be like humility, you know, that's, that's how you inherit the earth. Meekness. [00:59:09] Speaker A: Yeah, agreed. Well, man, this was great. This, the time actually flew by, guys. This was amazing. This is, you know, great going through the scripture, I think we handled some really interesting things as far as, you know, what's going to happen if you're godless, you know, you know, your behavior is detestable to God. You know, if you could be going through the motions and not be pleasing him, even your prayers will be ignored. I mean, that was, that's shocking. Right? [00:59:42] Speaker B: Right. [00:59:42] Speaker A: You know, if you're, if you're, you know, you're not doing the Torah, if you're not doing his will, if you're not adhering to the instruction, even your prayers can be detestable and you can see the impact on the land. Even, even during tribulation, we should be glorifying God and giving honor to God and then your prayers will be heard. So I'm very thankful for, you know, what we have and where we're, where we're going. I'm excited, you know, regardless of where we are in the timeline of things is I'm excited for what's coming ahead and I'm excited to continue this conversation. Do you guys have anything else you want to say before we close out? [01:00:23] Speaker C: But I want to thank Greg for joining us tonight. Yeah, Greg, I really enjoyed listening to your insights and it was a pleasure having you. [01:00:36] Speaker B: Yeah, really appreciate you guys having me on. It's good. Dwell in unity with brothers. You know, just discuss the Word and the world and the things that are going on that were, you know, not to entangle ourselves too much with the affairs of this life, but, you know, to keep our eyes always looking up, you know, looking towards, looking to the Father and for that day. And it talks about Isaiah, woe to him who looks for the day of the Lord. You know, as far as, you know, we as believers are, have that expectation of that return. But it's also a day of sadness because there's many that aren't going to make it, you know, and that's why it's important for us to pray and continue to speak the word and reach out to folks, you know, each one, reach one. That's how we change. And I like, I've been on witnessing trips and I'm like, you never know you're going to witness to the next Apostle Paul. [01:01:34] Speaker A: That's right. [01:01:34] Speaker B: You know, he might be a real jerk right now, but if you walk in that spirit of love, you might find the next Apostle Paul or the next, you know, Peter or whoever. [01:01:45] Speaker A: Amen. Well, that's great. Thank you guys. Thank you everybody for coming out to watch us tonight. Thank you, gentlemen for being on the show. I look forward to continuing this conversation, but until then, God bless you guys. Shalom. Shalom. Have a good night. Actually, before we go, I do have one more thing I wanted to say. If you guys are wondering where Christopher's at, he's doing a show in an hour. So make sure that if you guys want to catch him on his show, that'll be at Christopher M. Brock. He'll be doing a show in an hour. I'll also post that on the wall. And with that, I say God bless you guys. Shalom. Shalom.